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Its called fear. The Maroney ball washers are afraid of BJGE getting more time as this would lend even more credence to the fact that Maroney has rarely, if ever, been able to provide a sustained running attack across 4 quarters, never mind a string of games.
 
Re: Law Firm (BJGE) ran pretty well yesterday too.

I was surprised when he made the 53, but once he did it wasn't a huge leap that he was gameday active as a STer. Nobody really said that he wouldn't be active as a STer, IIRC- just that he wouldn't be seeing any carries at RB unless there were a lot of injuries.

That turned out to be correct. It wasn't until 2 of our top 3 RBs went down that BJGE saw any carries. That's not a knock on him- there are 3 talented, proven RBs ahead of him on the roster (plus Faulk, but I tend to think of him as being in a separate position outside of the standard RB rotation).

That's what he is, and that's good. RB depth is a great commodity to have. Most of us that were 'not giving him any credit', though, were largely reacting to widespread posts about how he was apparently going to supplant Maroney and Morris on the depth chart, which made no sense on any level. Clearly Belichick liked him more than I thought, since I didn't have him making the 53, but getting carries as a backup RB when 2 of the top 3 RBs are injured isn't exactly the slam-dunk that you seem to think it is. He's the #5 RB, same as he was when the season opened.

Yeah, that's a fair enough assessment. I guess it sucks that most of the discussions were around Maroney's value/place in the rotation etc. There were some that even thought Faulk would be an every down back even before Green-Ellis hit the field, but I do see him seperate also. If we can keep him somewhat fresh then he can hold that 3rd down position for another couple of yrs.

I think BJGE could end up being a solid #2 or #3 back--not including Faulk and his specialty role of course.

You are right, most of the hate was centered around the LoMo discussions, and how someone would take over his #1 role. I don't think that'll ever happen, but I certainly think he's earned his spot.
 
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Re: Law Firm (BJGE) ran pretty well yesterday too.

Nothing but impressive? He was good yesterday, but he had 3.7 ypc last year against terrible rush defenses.

You are certainly right about the bad rush defenses, and I know you are super high on that 3.7 ypc average, as you've reminded us dozens of times. And you are right, it does add credibility to the whole discussion, but in some ways it's a bit overrated too.

Hall of Famer John Riggins had a 3.9 ypc IIRC. It certainly wasn't more than 4 if rounded up. That 3.7 stat is a bit played out, although I can somewhat understand why you use it--as I said.

For someone who was an UDFA, and in their 1st yr last yr, 3.7 wasn't as horrible as some would believe. He picked up the offense, something more than a long teneured pro-bowler vet could do, although at another position. He has added value on ST and his blocking assignments--not many major mistakes either.
 
Re: Law Firm (BJGE) ran pretty well yesterday too.

Nothing but impressive? He was good yesterday, but he had 3.7 ypc last year against terrible rush defenses.

What's your point? How is 3.7 YPC relevant to what he is doing now?
 
Re: Law Firm (BJGE) ran pretty well yesterday too.

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his first season. He's already had his 100 yard, 20+ carry game in his rookie season. I would feel confident handing BJGE the rock 20 times a game if necessary.
 
Re: Law Firm (BJGE) ran pretty well yesterday too.

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his first season. He's already had his 100 yard, 20+ carry game in his rookie season. I would feel confident handing BJGE the rock 20 times a game if necessary.

Are you serioulsly trying to show a parallel b/t/w Tomlinson's rookie year and BJGE?
 
Re: Law Firm (BJGE) ran pretty well yesterday too.

Nothing but impressive? He was good yesterday, but he had 3.7 ypc last year against terrible rush defenses.

For an undrafted rookie Free Agent signing? Did you watch that Buffalo game when he was the only healthy RB? 26 carries 105 yards and a touchdown. No fumbles in his career.

The kid runs the ball north and south, runs hard, and plays special teams. If both Morris and Taylor are out for any long period of time. I think he and Maroney (more hopefully the one who should up yesterday) can more than handle the load.
 
Re: Law Firm (BJGE) ran pretty well yesterday too.

Hall of Famer John Riggins had a 3.9 ypc IIRC. It certainly wasn't more than 4 if rounded up. That 3.7 stat is a bit played out, although I can somewhat understand why you use it--as I said.

Hall of Famer John Riggins played in a different NFL. He's irrelevant.

The 3.7 ypc is played out? What stat do you want to use? There aren't any that say that BJGE was anything other than replacement level last year.
 
I am still not that impressed yet. Then again, I am not all that impressed with Maroney's performance either (and I am a big Maroney defender). Nor all that concerned that the Pats' run defense was gashed a lot of the game. The tackling on running plays on both sides of the ball was attrocious and I attribute that to the slickness of the field.

Before we get too excited about either RB, lets see either one of the two perform well against a good defense that isn't mailing it in in decent weather conditions.
 
Re: Law Firm (BJGE) ran pretty well yesterday too.

For an undrafted rookie Free Agent signing? Did you watch that Buffalo game when he was the only healthy RB? 26 carries 105 yards and a touchdown. No fumbles in his career.

Him being an UDRFA doesn't have any relevance when talking about his talent.
 
He ran good against first-string players not the scrubs.
 
Re: Law Firm (BJGE) ran pretty well yesterday too.

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his first season. He's already had his 100 yard, 20+ carry game in his rookie season. I would feel confident handing BJGE the rock 20 times a game if necessary.

BJGE compared to LaDanian Tomlison? Really?!? Why not Emmitt Smith? Walter Peyton?

Obviously Belichick isn't all that confident to give BJGE the ball 20 times because it took the injuries to Fred Taylor and Sammy Morris for him to get the 7 carries he got yesterday.
 
Re: Law Firm (BJGE) ran pretty well yesterday too.

Ladanian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc his first season. He's already had his 100 yard, 20+ carry game in his rookie season. I would feel confident handing BJGE the rock 20 times a game if necessary.

LDT ran for 1200 yards behind a bad offensive line his rookie year. Terrel Fletcher and Fred McRary rushed for 3.7 and 1.7 ypc respectively.

BJGE ran for 3.7 ypc and <300 yards behind a good offensive line. Morris and Jordan averaged >4.5 ypc and Faulk average 6 ypc.
 
BJGE 3.7YPC WITH CASSEL AT HELM

Maroney 4.2YPC WITH BRADY AT HELM

I think Brady atleast boosts a runningback by .5ypc.
 
He ran good against first-string players not the scrubs.

He ran three times with Brady on the field. One for 1 yards, another for 6 yards, and the last for 7 yards. I don't know if that is enough of a sample to know exactly how he would do against a starting defense. The guy ran 7 times total and 53 of his 67 yards yesterday came against scrubs or at least when Brady was done for the day.

Let's not make it out like he had a large sample vs. the starters.
 
BJGE 3.7YPC WITH CASSEL AT HELM

Maroney 4.2YPC WITH BRADY AT HELM

I think Brady atleast boosts a runningback by .5ypc.

BJGE played in 9 games and started 3 last year with 74 carries last year. Maroney has played in 36 games and started 12 with 436 carries for his career. You can't compare the stats of the two players because BJGE hasn't played nearly enough to get a good sample size compared to Maroney.
 
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First it was--"he'll never, EVER make the 53 man squad. We don't need him on this team, there's no way he's making the team."

Then it was--"Well, even though he made the team, he'll ALWAYS be on the inactive list." Yet, come week 2 he's active on gameday, and plays on ST.

Then it was--"Well, he may be active from time to time, but he'll never see any gameday action." (like no one has watched NFL football before, and they don't realize that they'll be injuries in the first 6 games probably:rolleyes:)

Now it's--"Even though the first 3 things were wrong, all he did was play alright I guess. It was only some light mop-up duty."

BJGE will NEVER get any respect on this forum, he'll always be considered just a JAG who "we could easily replace if we had too." Some of us get the feeling Belichick likes him a lot, he's obviously that kind of overachiever who BB really gives credit to. He has value on special teams, blocks and chips well, has downhill running capability, and does run hard. I have no idea why someone who plays on "our team" is so disliked, etc. You actually hear that he's overrated, etc, but in the old days if we had a no-name guy come off the bench and do well, he'd be a fan favorite. Hell, even if he just didn't fumble in the old days he would've been respected for doing his job off the bench, etc. I just don't really get it, and I never have. But I'm also not trying to start a major discussion either. Just get used to it.

Most of the BJGE detractors are Maroney defenders who get fed up at times and just simply 'sink to the level' of people who constantly bash Maroney. I don't think they truly mean half the things they say it's mostly emotions speaking.

BJGE's role is quite evident IMO. Right now he's insurance at the RB position and important depth given the injury histories. If he wasn't important to this team, BB would have just carried 4 RB's and picked up some JAG to play BJGE's role after Taylor got hurt.
 
Re: Law Firm (BJGE) ran pretty well yesterday too.

BJGE's role is quite evident IMO. Right now he's insurance at the RB position and important depth given the injury histories. If he wasn't important to this team, BB would have just carried 4 RB's and picked up some JAG to play BJGE's role after Taylor got hurt.

Right now his role is taking carries so that no one else gets hurt.

As to picking up some JAG, thats exactly what activating BJGE is. He's a JAG with the advantage that hes been here a year and knows the system and the calls.
 
Re: Law Firm (BJGE) ran pretty well yesterday too.

Right now his role is taking carries so that no one else gets hurt.

As to picking up some JAG, thats exactly what activating BJGE is. He's a JAG with the advantage that hes been here a year and knows the system and the calls.

Agreed.

And he's exceeded all the expectations.

Would that Maroney do the same.
 
He ran three times with Brady on the field. One for 1 yards, another for 6 yards, and the last for 7 yards. I don't know if that is enough of a sample to know exactly how he would do against a starting defense. The guy ran 7 times total and 53 of his 67 yards yesterday came against scrubs or at least when Brady was done for the day.

Let's not make it out like he had a large sample vs. the starters.

Much of the time, forum members pan BJGE for playing against the

54th thru 80th best players on the opposiing roster. Those players

have now been cut. Just because Brady came out of the game does

not mean that the Titans benched all their regulars at this point in the

game.
 
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