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Color me a bit surprised that so many don't like Toucher and Rich. Yes, they're still trying to fit into their new roles with more focus on sports than on music (they used to have musicians call in from time to time to promote shows etc.) so it, at times, seems forced. However, their comedy bits and personal stories can be highly entertaining. You wouldn't believe some of the hilarious characters they've brought to the air just by being out on the streets at the right time in the right place with a tape recorder.

However, I can now only listen for short periods of time in the morning though, so perhaps the bits that I loved in the PM have faded away with the move to AM and now the transition to a completely different station.

Let me ask a stupid question: What's the point of 100% sports talk all day for people who listen beyond just their commutes? What, beyond player/coach interviews, the occasional bit of important breaking news and boxscore type updates does one exactly glean from listening to pure sports talk in the first place?

Seconded. And they've essentially kept all the old bits except for Ask Crash and I Rule! and added a few more sports-centric ones. They podcast the full show every day on the website. It's usually up before Noon. Apparently guys in their mid-30's attempting to be humorous = "Frat Boy Radio." I bet similar criticisms were levelled at Stern in his early days.
 
Seconded. And they've essentially kept all the old bits except for Ask Crash and I Rule! and added a few more sports-centric ones. They podcast the full show every day on the website. It's usually up before Noon. Apparently guys in their mid-30's attempting to be humorous = "Frat Boy Radio." I bet similar criticisms were levelled at Stern in his early days.

I Rule! is still there, they "updated" it to be sports related or at least involve athletes...one recent one was involving twitter posts from Shaq, John Daly, Eli Manning, Curt Schilling, and Stephon Marbury.
 
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I Rule! is still there, they "updated" it to be sports related or at least involve athletes...one recent one was involving twitter posts from Shaq, John Daly, Eli Manning, Curt Schilling, and Stephon Marbury.

Ahh yes, you're correct. They started the Twitter game the last couple weeks on BCN. I think it's just athletes' ones now though.

I'm 24 so I suppose I fit perfectly into their demo but I love that show. It's the most creative program on Boston radio. And no one in college listens to the radio anymore, so their audience is very much Boston-based.

I'll admit I had concerns the first couple of shows but it seems as if the content of the show has flowed a lot smoother. I also like the chemistry Wallach is developing with them. His reactions are funny and he's able to reel Fred back in when he goes off on a tangent during a sports segment.

It was a calculated move by CBS to have them hold the morning spot. They've shown that they are willing to axe shows with better ratings in bigger markets with more time left on the contract (see Adam Carolla). The D&C crowd is getting older and a new generation of fans is reaching adulthood and about to enter that well-sought after demographic.

I don't like D&C, but it was never their focus on politics or non-sports topics that eventually made me turn the dial. And although I found their little forays into racism ugly, their point-of-view was never the problem either (I listen to Rush and Howie Carr off/on during the day). It's these outdated topics and guests they just salivate over. Is busing really a hot-button issue in the 2000s? I can't stand the inane trade talk and faux contrarianism (I tend to dislike Felger for the same reason, though he seems less forced) and agendas that they refuse to acknowledge.

And the guests! My God the guests! Is a break really a sports talk segment when it's just 10 minutes of Callahan pining for Lucchino to call-in or verbally servicing Brad Faxon?! I distinctly remember a segment they had a few years ago where Brad Faxon was at a driving range, and would put the phone down during drives, pick it up and Dennis going "That sounds like a rocket! How far did ya hit that one?" Or asking him about golfers he walked by in the clubhouse before he inevitably failed to make the cut. Ill take my "frat boy" radio happily.

/My 2 Cents
 
Thoughts on 98.5 FM - One Week In

Here's a review of the two stations: Thoughts on 98.5 FM - One Week In by Bruce Allen of Boston Sports Media Watch. He compares the four time slots head-to-head, giving 'EEI the advantage with Dale and Holley while WBZ gets his vote for tha afternoon and evening shows.

Here's some of what he had to say on Amendolara:
Amendolara has been the single biggest pleasant surprise on the new station, which is huge. There was a lot of skepticism out there about bringing in a kid from New York who grew up rooting for the New York teams and is a huge soccer fan, who had most recently been doing a show in Miami to come here and do Boston sports radio. He’s been great. Amendolara is knowledgeable about what’s going on, not just locally, but all across the nation in big time sports. He’s also hard working, having done all the weeknights, plus a show each day of the weekend.
 
So it's Tanguay, Zolak and Shaughnessy (for 1 hour) today, and it's been all baseball, all the time.

Plus ca change...
 
Felger is the best thing about 98.5. That says something. Granted, I find Felger more entertaining than most. The best was when he was on CSN the other nite and used the phrase "bend over and take it up the butt" in reference to what Wilfork would have to do to get a contract right now. The mere fact that someone says that on TV is...interesting.
 
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Im hooked on the morning show. Love it.

Felger's show is also >>>>>>>>> the big (blowhard) show.

The only edge I give to EEI is in the Mid-Day show. Dale can be tough to listen to for long stretches... but Tanguay and Zo are just brutal.
 
Im hooked on the morning show. Love it.

Felger's show is also >>>>>>>>> the big (blowhard) show.

The only edge I give to EEI is in the Mid-Day show. Dale can be tough to listen to for long stretches... but Tanguay and Zo are just brutal.

It's all personal preference, which is what I've been saying. The notion that the new station will somehow revolutionize the format by not being mediocre, the notion that the callers won't be guiding the hosts, the notion that baseball is somehow going to be much less talked about, etc.... were just pipe dreams. Also, the new station is already gaining its own 'frequent caller' program, so that's another assertion falling by the wayside.
 
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It's all personal preference, which is what I've been saying. The notion that the new station will someone revolutionize the format by not being mediocre, the notion that the callers won't be guiding the hosts, the notion that baseball is somehow going to be much less talked about, etc.... were just pipe dreams. Also, the new station is already gaining its own 'frequent caller' program, so that's another assertion falling by the wayside.

You are twisting things.

1.) Callers are guided by the host and not the other way around because the hosts tell the screeners what topics will be allowed on the air. If the host doesn't want to talk about the Pats, there will be no caller getting on the air that day.

2.) No one said it would be a revolutionized format. How can you revolutionize a format that has been around for decades and already changed so much. What most of us said, it would be an alternative and be different in many ways. It is - both good and bad.

3.) No one ever said baseball would be much less talked about. We said the Patriots would be much more talked about and it has. Both afternoon shows have had days where they almost exclusively talked Patriots this week and I can't say the same for the two afternoon shows on WEEI.

4.) The celebrity callers are Johns from Medford, Dakotas from Braintree, etc. who are only on to be ridiculed and rile up the callers. They are guys when they get on the air and before they say a single word you know Felger and Mazz have banned those guys.

Again, the new station is only a good thing. I don't know why you and others want to see it fail. Many times when WEEI is going on and on about a topic you don't like, you have a potential alternative. WEEI is making changes to make their station better (they just moved all Red Sox games back to WEEI) to fight off the competition. So even if you don't want to tune in to the new station, at least in theory WEEI will be better.
 
I despise Dennis and Callahan. I find their right-wing, borderline-racist, politically-themed, sports-free show to be abhorrent.

So I turned on 98.5 this morning. And was rewarded by giggling men talking about how huge Adalius Thomas's penis is because he was walking around the locker room naked.

Um, yeah. That's must-listen radio right there. :::click:::

I'm not a big fan of either show. I will give Toucher and Rich a few more weeks and tune in and see if they have tuned their act. If not, it is Sirius radio for me in the morning other than Mondays for Boomer and Brady.
 
You are twisting things.

1.) Callers are guided by the host and not the other way around because the hosts tell the screeners what topics will be allowed on the air. If the host doesn't want to talk about the Pats, there will be no caller getting on the air that day.

Anyone who thinks that the callers don't guide the hosts doesn't understand radio. They are the vocal portion of the hosts audience so, naturally, they provide guidance. I'll leave it at that. You keep trying to change 'guide' to 'command' when that's not what I'm saying.

2.) No one said it would be a revolutionized format. How can you revolutionize a format that has been around for decades and already changed so much. What most of us said, it would be an alternative and be different in many ways. It is - both good and bad.

No, you *****ed about mediocre radio. I pointed out that all call oriented commercial talk radio is mediocre by necessity and design.

3.) No one ever said baseball would be much less talked about. We said the Patriots would be much more talked about and it has. Both afternoon shows have had days where they almost exclusively talked Patriots this week and I can't say the same for the two afternoon shows on WEEI.

Actually, if you assert that football will get much more coverage, you are stating that baseball will be getting much less coverage, pretty much by simple math. However, despite your claims to the contrary, you're not getting much more football talk. Today's been a perfect example.

4.) The celebrity callers are Johns from Medford, Dakotas from Braintree, etc. who are only on to be ridiculed and rile up the callers. They are guys when they get on the air and before they say a single word you know Felger and Mazz have banned those guys.

The 'celebrity callers' are being lined up as you speak. It's happening already. I've heard them.

Again, the new station is only a good thing. I don't know why you and others want to see it fail. Many times when WEEI is going on and on about a topic you don't like, you have a potential alternative. WEEI is making changes to make their station better (they just moved all Red Sox games back to WEEI) to fight off the competition. So even if you don't want to tune in to the new station, at least in theory WEEI will be better.

You keep complaining that people are twisting your comments, yet you've been doing it to my posts time and again. I've said that I like having the options a new station brings. I've simply pointed out that it's all about personal preferences and not about some different format. You may like Felger, others won't. That's essentially all the difference.

And bringing the Red Sox back to WEEI was a bad move as far as sports talk radio goes, even if it improves the ratings. It cuts into the hours of talk, just like having a Patriots game on will cut into the hours of talk on the new station.
 
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Anyone who thinks that the callers don't guide the hosts doesn't understand radio. They are the vocal portion of the hosts audience so, naturally, they provide guidance. I'll leave it at that. You keep trying to change 'guide' to 'command' when that's not what I'm saying.

The caller might be able to change the direction of a particular topic, but they cannot change the topic. If the host is talking Patriots, the callers are not going to change the topic to Red Sox unless the host allows those calls go through. It might change from Brady's knee to Wilfork's contract status though. The call screener also can screen out particular types of callers like fellowship of the miserable types as long as the caller doesn't lie when they get interviewed by the caller.



No, you *****ed about mediocre radio. I pointed out that all call oriented commercial talk radio is mediocre by necessity and design.

Call oriented talk radio isn't mediocre by design. I find a lot of call talk radio very interesting. It all depends on the host and what they allow and what they don't allow. Or how they deal with certain types of callers. If an angry caller calls in to complain about a team and the host(s) get into a shouting match with him/her, it is very different than if the host treats them rationally.


Actually, if you assert that football will get much more coverage, you are stating that baseball will be getting much less coverage, pretty much by simple math. However, despite your claims to the contrary, you're not getting much more football talk. Today's been a perfect example.

Not true. WEEI until Patriots Monday started talked very little Patriots. Say they talked 5% Patriots for the month of August (and I am just pulling out a random number). If 98.5 dedicates 10% of the month to Patriots, that is doubling the amount of Patriots talk while not losing much Red Sox (they are still talking Red Sox 90% of the time). WEEI talks so little Patriots that increasing the Patriots talk exponentially doesn't have a huge bearing on the amount of Red Sox talk.

As for how much 98.5 talks Patriots, you are way underestimating it. The DA Show talks some football every night. On Tuesday Tanguay and Zo dedicated almost their entire show to the Pats. Felger and Mazz did a lot of Patriots yesterday. Even on Patriots Monday, WEEI only really talked Patriots when a guest was on.

You are just pointing to today to prove your point although Tanguay and Zo dedicated a significant portion of this week to the Pats. It is still preseason and even if you focus more on the Pats, it isn't going to be the main subject every day. I never expected otherwise.

BTW, Felger and Mazz will be talking football today (at least during rush hour) and having Christopher Gasper on. And Zo said tommorrow's show is going to be all football.


The 'celebrity callers' are being lined up as you speak. It's happening already. I've heard them.

The number of celebrity callers have been minimized, but not eliminated. Felger and Mazz have banned them (As Felger said to them "You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here"). DA did take a call from John from Medford, but it was actually a decent call because instead of yelling at him DA debated him in a normal tone.


You keep complaining that people are twisting your comments, yet you've been doing it to my posts time and again. I've said that I like having the options a new station brings. I've simply pointed out that it's all about personal preferences and not about some different format. You may like Felger, others won't. That's essentially all the difference.

I will apologize and try to stop if you will.


And bringing the Red Sox back to WEEI was a bad move as far as sports talk radio goes, even if it improves the ratings. It cuts into the hours of talk, just like having a Patriots game on will cut into the hours of talk on the new station.

It takes Mike Adams off the air and I can't see how that is bad thing.
 
I despise Dennis and Callahan. I find their right-wing, borderline-racist, politically-themed, sports-free show to be abhorrent.

So I turned on 98.5 this morning. And was rewarded by giggling men talking about how huge Adalius Thomas's penis is because he was walking around the locker room naked.

Um, yeah. That's must-listen radio right there. :::click:::

left-wing Loon rants belong in the political forum,not in the Patriots forum.
 
I can't believe it... but even Felgers show is better than the Big Show. And it pains me to say that... trust me.

WEEI in comparison, sound like a bunch of stale old pretentious blowhards.

The morning show is as bad as WEEI's. Which is worse - a bunch of dudes thinking they are in a frat house or Callahan's rants? I think I'll take Callahan's rants. However, Felger's afternoon show is far better than WEEI's screamfest.
 
The caller might be able to change the direction of a particular topic, but they cannot change the topic. If the host is talking Patriots, the callers are not going to change the topic to Red Sox unless the host allows those calls go through. It might change from Brady's knee to Wilfork's contract status though. The call screener also can screen out particular types of callers like fellowship of the miserable types as long as the caller doesn't lie when they get interviewed by the caller.

If there are 1000 callers on the Red Sox and 5 callers on the Patriots, and it reflects the listening audience to any reasonable degree, you can bet your bottom dollar that the station will be talking Red Sox a lot more than it will be talking Patriots. It's the nature of the beast. It's also the nature of the beast that it's easier to talk Baseball than football due to the complexity of football and the ability for people to break down the games, as I believe both F&M acknowledged on air earlier this week.

Call oriented talk radio isn't mediocre by design. I find a lot of call talk radio very interesting. It all depends on the host and what they allow and what they don't allow. Or how they deal with certain types of callers. If an angry caller calls in to complain about a team and the host(s) get into a shouting match with him/her, it is very different than if the host treats them rationally.

Yes, it is. Because the callers are inherently mediocre, and the hosts must speak to a generalized audience with a somewhat average knowledge of whatever is being discussed. If they don't, they'll be out of a job. Again, it's simply the nature of the beast.

Not true. WEEI until Patriots Monday started talked very little Patriots. Say they talked 5% Patriots for the month of August (and I am just pulling out a random number). If 98.5 dedicates 10% of the month to Patriots, that is doubling the amount of Patriots talk while not losing much Red Sox (they are still talking Red Sox 90% of the time). WEEI talks so little Patriots that increasing the Patriots talk exponentially doesn't have a huge bearing on the amount of Red Sox talk.

You're making up numbers and hearing what you want to hear. You are not hearing what's actually happening.

As for how much 98.5 talks Patriots, you are way underestimating it. The DA Show talks some football every night. On Tuesday Tanguay and Zo dedicated almost their entire show to the Pats. Felger and Mazz did a lot of Patriots yesterday. Even on Patriots Monday, WEEI only really talked Patriots when a guest was on.

I'm not underestimating it at all. You've been coming from a biased position since even before the new station came online, and it's clouded your judgment from the beginning. I believe this was already demonstrated earlier in the thread on a day where you were claiming WEEI hadn't been talking football (or much football) despite Mo and myself pointing to the Patriots talk that was going on during that time.

You are just pointing to today to prove your point although Tanguay and Zo dedicated a significant portion of this week to the Pats. It is still preseason and even if you focus more on the Pats, it isn't going to be the main subject every day. I never expected otherwise.

Actually, I'm using today as an example, nothing more, because WEEI is doing its fundraising for the Jimmy Fund today and I decided to leave it on the new station all day. I've posted regarding content on other days, as well. It's not my fault that they spoke "all baseball, all the time", just as it's not my fault that the feed has stopped working.

BTW, Felger and Mazz will be talking football today (at least during rush hour) and having Christopher Gasper on. And Zo said tommorrow's show is going to be all football.

That's tomorrow. Today, football pretty much didn't exist for them, which is what you were complaining about with WEEI.

The number of celebrity callers have been minimized, but not eliminated. Felger and Mazz have banned them (As Felger said to them "You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here"). DA did take a call from John from Medford, but it was actually a decent call because instead of yelling at him DA debated him in a normal tone.

It's a new station that hasn't yet developed its own 'celebrity callers'. As a local station, it will do so eventually. As I noted, it's already in the process of happening, as repeat callers have already begun the process. It may not be "John from Medford", but it will be someone.

I will apologize and try to stop if you will.

But I'm not twisting your comments. In your case, you're running precisely counter to what I've posted when you claim I want the station to fail.

It takes Mike Adams off the air and I can't see how that is bad thing.

Again, this is personal preference and nothing more. Some like Adams and others don't. That's been my point to you all along. You're taking your personal preferences and acting as if they are absolutes that all are in agreement with.
 
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Felger is the best thing about 98.5. That says something. Granted, I find Felger more entertaining than most. The best was when he was on CSN the other nite and used the phrase "bend over and take it up the butt" in reference to what Wilfork would have to do to get a contract right now. The mere fact that someone says that on TV is...interesting.
If Felger is the best thing about 98.5..they are in trouble. I don't find him entertaining..unless you like fingernails on a blackboard. And for praise of a potty mouthed Felger...Hmmmm maybe you find fart jokes amusing as well...If that is entertainment..I'll pass. A smug Felger, who sometimes says one thing and a few hours later..totally opposite..who can't get his story straight..is pretty pitiful. I have listened here and there..going back and forth..but THAt much better?? NOT!!
 
Seconded. And they've essentially kept all the old bits except for Ask Crash and I Rule! and added a few more sports-centric ones. They podcast the full show every day on the website. It's usually up before Noon. Apparently guys in their mid-30's attempting to be humorous = "Frat Boy Radio." I bet similar criticisms were levelled at Stern in his early days.

they still using "mike behind the mic" & dungeon master jim ? those guys were awesome. I started listening to toucher and rich while back, I couldnt take greg hill anymore over @ aff. The politics are just brutal.

How about wollach taking the pitino comment made by toucher or Rich serious this morning? I couldnt stop laughing. Thats the difference right there w/ toucher & rich, simple freaking sarcasm.
 
If there are 1000 callers on the Red Sox and 5 callers on the Patriots, and it reflects the listening audience to any reasonable degree, you can bet your bottom dollar that the station will be talking Red Sox a lot more than it will be talking Patriots. It's the nature of the beast. It's also the nature of the beast that it's easier to talk Baseball than football due to the complexity of football and the ability for people to break down the games, as I believe both F&M acknowledged on air earlier this week.

That isn't true. There are never any Celtics calls on the radio until they want to talk Celtics on the air and there are caller after caller. They take like 5-10 calls an hour on the air in a typical hour depending on what is going on. The people who get on the air are only a fraction of the people who call. We have heard many times on this board on how callers are turned away because they wanted to talk football and screener said they are only talking baseball.

Callers never reflect the audience on the whole. Only about 5-10% of any radio show's audience ever calls in and they tend to be the more passionate people and not neccessarily reflective of the audience in general. That is pretty well documented for radio in general.

The format hasn't changed. The host sets up the segment at the top of the hour and the screener tries to only let through callers who have something to say about that topic. A given host might allow multiple topics though.



Yes, it is. Because the callers are inherently mediocre, and the hosts must speak to a generalized audience with a somewhat average knowledge of whatever is being discussed. If they don't, they'll be out of a job. Again, it's simply the nature of the beast.

You are not giving the host enough credit. What can make good or bad radio is the host's response to the caller. On the Big Show they have even less callers because of their panel format and their show is worse than others who take a lot of calls.



You're making up numbers and hearing what you want to hear. You are not hearing what's actually happening.

I already said those numbers were made up for example purposes. As for hearing what I want to hear, most people agree that listen to both stations that 98.5 do more Patriots. Even when WEEI does football, it isn't Patriots football. It is hotbutton issues like Vick, Plaxico, or Favre. I don't consider that real Patriots talk. If I want to listen about Vick, Plaxico, or Favre I will tune into a national show.



I'm not underestimating it at all. You've been coming from a biased position since even before the new station came online, and it's clouded your judgment from the beginning. I believe this was already demonstrated earlier in the thread on a day where you were claiming WEEI hadn't been talking football (or much football) despite Mo and myself pointing to the Patriots talk that was going on during that time.

Ring! Hello, Pot. This is the Kettle. You're black.

I am biased, but you and Mo were blasting 98.5 for being a failure weeks before the station even started to air. You cannot call be bias when you didn't even give this station a chance before you hated it. How can you not be biased when you hate something before you even listened to it?

Again, 98.5 talks more Patriots than WEEI that is pretty clear.

Actually, I'm using today as an example, nothing more, because WEEI is doing its fundraising for the Jimmy Fund today and I decided to leave it on the new station all day. I've posted regarding content on other days, as well. It's not my fault that they spoke "all baseball, all the time", just as it's not my fault that the feed has stopped working.

So just because you missed the Patriots talk earlier in the week, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just because Tanguay and Zo decided to talk all Red Sox on a day you happened to turn away from WEEI doesn't

That's tomorrow. Today, football pretty much didn't exist for them, which is what you were complaining about with WEEI.

There is only so much Patriots you can talk this time of the year. If you dedicate two entire shows this week to the Patriots (Tuesday and Friday), how much more can you talk about them. It is two more entire days of Patriots than any show on WEEI dedicated their entire show to the Pats this week.


It's a new station that hasn't yet developed its own 'celebrity callers'. As a local station, it will do so eventually. As I noted, it's already in the process of happening, as repeat callers have already begun the process. It may not be "John from Medford", but it will be someone.

The celebrity callers like John from Medford and Steve from Fall River call all the radio stations. They like to hear themselves talk. Some are loyal to a single show like Dakota from Braintree and Jim the Wrestling Goon who only call the Big Show and not any other station or any other show on WEEI, but they are the exception.



But I'm not twisting your comments. In your case, you're running precisely counter to what I've posted when you claim I want the station to fail.

Ok, you thought it sucked even before they aired a single second of radio time. Of course that isn't biased. I am not exactly surprised that you wouldn't admit you are wrong even when I offer the olive branch on this.



Again, this is personal preference and nothing more. Some like Adams and others don't. That's been my point to you all along. You're taking your personal preferences and acting as if they are absolutes that all are in agreement with.

Again twisting my words. I have never said my opinion were anything more than opinions. Why would I repeatedly say "many people agree with me" or if I was stating my opinions as facts or absolutes. You should really look in the mirror on this one because almost everything you are accussing me of, you are doing yourself.
 
The morning show is as bad as WEEI's. Which is worse - a bunch of dudes thinking they are in a frat house or Callahan's rants? I think I'll take Callahan's rants. However, Felger's afternoon show is far better than WEEI's screamfest.

The only thing I can say is the Toucher and Rich is new to this format and have the potential of changing (I ain't holding my breath, but I am hopeful). There is zero chance Dennis and Callahan will change. Either way, until one of the shows do. Neither will get much of my listening time.

I am kinda hopeful that 98.5 bump Toucher and Rich when their contract is up if not sooner (although their ratings may actually show that those of us on this board who don't like them are in the minority). I'd like them to move the DA Show to the mornings, but he probably plays it too straight to be successful in the mornings (apparently you have to be outrageous and/or controversial in the morning).
 
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