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Re: NFL Owners Pass Four Player Safety Rules For 2009 Season

Ok, seriously - what's behind outlawing the Wedge?

Does anyone feel this limits the likelihood of KR's for TD's?
 
Re: NFL Owners Pass Four Player Safety Rules For 2009 Season

Ok, seriously - what's behind outlawing the Wedge?

Does anyone feel this limits the likelihood of KR's for TD's?

Poilan is losing his mind, and he thinks that by eliminating the "wedge", his underwear won't creep up anymore.
 
Re: NFL Owners Pass Four Player Safety Rules For 2009 Season

Ok, seriously - what's behind outlawing the Wedge?

Does anyone feel this limits the likelihood of KR's for TD's?

Well - I'm going to my favorite restaurant tonight and if I can not get my Wedge with Blue Cheese and bacon bits, I'm going to be bent!

Seriously, I have the same question - perhaps someone can explain.
 
Re: NFL Owners Pass Four Player Safety Rules For 2009 Season

Here is the formal language for the rule change involving the wedge block being outlawed: “After the ball is kicked, no more than two receiving team players may intentionally form a wedge in an attempt to block for the runner. An illegal wedge is defined as three or more players lined up shoulder-to-shoulder within two yards of each other.”

If that makes it slightly clearer found it on PFT as for the impact yeah I'm not sure gunna have to read up on that.
 
Re: NFL institutes "Brady Rule"

************, the last thing the Roy WIlliams law is about is "isolated incidents". There are all sorts of players out of football with leg and back injuries from being tackled that way.

It was an isolated case. It was geared to one player who was injuring players tackling that way. Fine or suspend the guy to deter it and don't penalize the rest of the defenders. It wouldn't be called the Roy Williams rule if it was as prevalent as you suggest. Roy Williams injured several players in one season which makes it an isolated case.

But if you don't like that example, how about the Emmitt Smith rule? Or the five yard chuck emphasis because of one playoff game between the Pats and Colt? There are plenty of reactionary rules that have been implemented over the years because of an isolated incident or player. Hence why there are rules named after players.
 
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If that makes it slightly clearer found it on PFT as for the impact yeah I'm not sure gunna have to read up on that.

Yeah, I read that too, but I didn't understand what the effect was. ST tackles are generally pretty brutal. I don't know who it protects on the kicking team, but it sure isn't going to make a case for the longevity of returners, in my mind.
 
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The point of impact is the "wedge" — a wall of multiple blockers hoping to clear a path for the man returning the kick.

The collisions, with helmets dipped and absorbing an impact that places undue pressure on the C3-C4 range of the cervical spine, can be dangerous. At some point, the outcome could be fatal.

As a result, the Competition Committee has recommended outlawing the "wedge." It would be a great move.

Though it would make it more challenging for special teams coaches to devise strategies for advancing the ball as far as possible after a kickoff, it would help to ensure the safety of the men who have many years to spend as sons, husbands, and fathers after their playing careers end.

Certain teams don't the "wedge" one article pointed out also I read that other team who use the "wedge" however some use more and less players. Obviously it will certainly have an impact on teams who use the "wedge" on a regular basis resulting in less big returns/TDs until they perfect their new strategy. I'm not certain on which teams do use the "wedge" and what teams do not, I imagine it's used by quite a bit of teams.
 
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Is it mandatory that every year the league pass at least one stupid, useless, or backward ass rule?
 
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The one that stands out to me honestly is the bunching of players on onsides kicks. Won't that make it a LOT easier for the kicking team to recover? Or am I interpretting that wrong?
 
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To the extent that these measures will actually prevent injuries, I'm all in favor of them. However, they likely will have minimal impact on injuries, so I am against them.
 
Re: NFL institutes "Brady Rule"

Suggest someone amends the thread title and inserts the word 'doesnt';)
 
Re: NFL institutes "Brady Rule"

Looks like they did not adopt the Tom Brady rule - But they did pass 4 others.

Four safety proposals passed at NFL owners meetings - ESPN

It wasn't a new rule. It was a clarification on the existing rule against hitting a QB at the knees. The rule allowed for contact if the player was blocked into the QB or otherwise couldn't avoid contact. The clarification essentially says that the rule doesn't allow what Pollard did (get blocked and then in a second/independent act, lunge into the QB's knees from the ground).
 
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It was an isolated case. It was geared to one player who was injuring players tackling that way. Fine or suspend the guy to deter it and don't penalize the rest of the defenders. It wouldn't be called the Roy Williams rule if it was as prevalent as you suggest. Roy Williams injured several players in one season which makes it an isolated case.

But if you don't like that example, how about the Emmitt Smith rule? Or the five yard chuck emphasis because of one playoff game between the Pats and Colt? There are plenty of reactionary rules that have been implemented over the years because of an isolated incident or player. Hence why there are rules named after players.

"Don't penalize the rest of the defenders?" What are you talking about? It doesn't penalize anyone, unless they tackle someone in a specific, completely unnecessary and highly dangerous way. If, as you say, it's an isolated case and Roy Williams is the only one doing it (your words, not mine), then nobody else is getting penalized for it, so your point is completely moot.

It's informally called the Roy Williams rule because Roy Williams does it all the time, and is the most prominent offender. Rules are oftentimes nicknamed to this effect: it says nothing of how prominent it is or is not. Bottom line: horse-collar tackling is unnecessary and highly likely to cause devastating damage to the player being tackled. It fits every definition of cheap and dirty, and its only advantage is that it allows you to drag a guy down after he's utterly beaten you. It ends careers, and there's absolutely no need for it.
 
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Didnt see this anywhere before:

Owners will implement rules changes but not to overtime




Guess the hit wasn't so "clean" after all.

That article was posted last week, before the owners' meetings even began, and it quite clearly says that the rule change was only going to be considered. Please don't start a new thread using an old story and consider it to be fact.

As stated in the merged thread, the NFL passed four safety rule changes today. Whether or not that includes the QB below-the-knees clarification is still unclear.
 
Re: NFL institutes "Brady Rule"

That article was posted last week, before the owners' meetings even began, and it quite clearly says that the rule change was only going to be considered. Please don't start a new thread using an old story and consider it to be fact.

As stated in the merged thread, the NFL passed four safety rule changes today. Whether or not that includes the QB below-the-knees clarification is still unclear.

Well so much for my thread which is about the rules that passed (not ones being considered) being readable :D
 
Two of the rules REALLY make sense..and a broken jaw and what could be serious injuries can be lessened by those rules.. The wedge blocking??? Bunching up on onside kicks? HAS that led to any serious injuries?? I know both Everett and Killings had severe spinal cord injuries on kickoffs...but would a rule like this PREVENT that? I KNOW there will always be injuries...but unless theer is real data that supports it...why make changes?? Yes...it WILL make it harder for onside kicks to work...look at all teh bunching up on Buffalo's onside kick of last year..almost worked...MANy strategies for that a LOT harder with players apart...As far as the Brady rule...OR the Brady clarification..theer is a rule that was used..a QB being hit below the waist and ro me it SHOULD have been the call. IN a lesser hit that was similar in the Mia-KC game IT WAS called. In the PATS case it was a ref who was in his first game as a referee and HE blew the call. IF a flag was called would there have been any complaints from KC?? I really doubt that at all. IF the NFL really doesn't care about QBS and injuries...well..wait for others to be hurt and THAT WILL happen.
 
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"Don't penalize the rest of the defenders?" What are you talking about? It doesn't penalize anyone, unless they tackle someone in a specific, completely unnecessary and highly dangerous way. If, as you say, it's an isolated case and Roy Williams is the only one doing it (your words, not mine), then nobody else is getting penalized for it, so your point is completely moot.

It's informally called the Roy Williams rule because Roy Williams does it all the time, and is the most prominent offender. Rules are oftentimes nicknamed to this effect: it says nothing of how prominent it is or is not. Bottom line: horse-collar tackling is unnecessary and highly likely to cause devastating damage to the player being tackled. It fits every definition of cheap and dirty, and its only advantage is that it allows you to drag a guy down after he's utterly beaten you. It ends careers, and there's absolutely no need for it.

First, it at least initially did penalize the defenders (until they passed a clarification of the rule in subsequent years) because the refs did call it frequently. As I said, they had to clarify the process of bringing the player down to stop defenders from getting this called for a horse collar tackle incorrectly on clean tackles. Why?!? Because the league overracted to Roy Williams breaking two player's legs and didn't think the rule through enough and made it too encompassing and vague what exactly a horse collar tackle was.

Second, it was called the Roy Williams' rule because it was made specifically because he seriously injured two players including Terrell Owens. Not because horse collar tackles were rampart in the NFL. Because Roy Williams was out of control.

Third, as I stated, the league hurt the game because they overracted without thinking things through. The league does this almost every year. Instead of overracting on a hot button issue, they could think things through rationally and thoughtfully and improve the game and not open the game up to a lot of unneccessarily ticky-tack and improperly called judgement calls because the league rushed through the Roy Williams rule because of one player. And yes, it was one player.
 
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The wedge blocking??? Bunching up on onside kicks? HAS that led to any serious injuries??

Concussions. The flying wedge was outlawed over a hundred years ago because it was causing severe head injuries and even deaths. The kickoff wedge is almost the same thing, only it occurs fewer times per game and the defenders get more of a run-up.

Generally each team has at least one linebacker or fullback who specializes as a "wedge buster," whose job it is to barrel into the wedge as fast as he can and take out as many blockers as possible to break up the formation.

Playing in high school and college I knew three guys who received concussions from that activity. Hopefully with the NFL's rule change this will filter down to those levels.
 
FYI there are now 4 NEW rules and 1 ADJUSTED rule.

They are the following:

1 ADJUSTED
• Defenders who are knocked to the ground no longer can lunge into quarterbacks if the play is still going on. Kansas City safety Bernard Pollard did just that on the hit that ended Brady's season almost before it began, and NFL officiating director Mike Pereira placed such plays in the player safety category.

That adjustment was not a rule change and did not require an owners vote. But four other rules were adopted by the 32 teams.

4 NEW
• The initial force of a blindside block can't be delivered by a helmet, forearm or shoulder to an opponent's head or neck. An illegal blindside block will bring a 15-yard penalty.

• Initial contact to the head of a defenseless receiver also will draw a 15-yard penalty.

"Our clear movement is to getting out of the striking in the head area," Pereira said. "We're reading about injuries that say spinal and vertebrae. We've got to try something."

• On kickoffs, no blocking wedge of more than two players will be allowed.

• Also on kickoffs, the kicking team can't have more than five players bunched together pursuing an onside kick.
 
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