Schefter: Peppers trade not going to happen

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swheeler23 said:

not going to happen. Peppers would cost to much and change the Patriots pay scale.

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Not only that, but would you give up 17 million for a team that was better then the Pats were last year? Just so you you can play OLB which is a risk to the Pats more then anything.

Also I've never seen a trade/transaction so talked up and actually happened with the Patriots. Usually it's pretty quiet until a day before the deal.

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wpdougie2180 said:

Curucci says on PFW right now that the patriots and Peppers' agent have definately had talks and that others sources in the Panthers would rather have the 2nd instead of the 1st because they don't want to pay for a first rounder this particular year.

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Of course they have. Peppers wants to come here, or to one of two or three other teams each of which his agent has likely talked to as well. That and fifty cents will get the Peppers camp a cup of coffee... It's quite possible Carucci is being used as a mule telegraphing unofficial public backdoor proposals to NE. Fact remains we haven't got the cap space anymore in part because we likely moved on after hearing his agents initial contract requirements...

If the Patriots are still in it at all it's waiting for the other sides to hit rock bottom. That's likely the only way they pull out all the restructure/cut stops to free up space.

Carucci is wed to his pre FA prediction that we would take a hard run at Peppers. For all we know he got that from the same sources...Peppers agent and some faction within the Panthers FO...

Honestly, that's Tom E. Curren digging his heels in on Brady's knee redux...

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This thread is not what I wanted to wake up to, I knew I had my hopes up too high.

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Whoa now, whoa. A few things are getting lost right now. First, Peppers has made it very clear he does not wish to play in Carolina for even one more season. If he wanted to, he would have signed the franchise tender agreement or demanded (and gotten) his 10 mil per year, 7 year contract. The fact his he has publicly stated that he no longer wants to play DE, and that he wants to play OLB for a very select handful of teams.

The 34 pick would probably be a dream come true for Carolina. It's a high pick and unless they think they need Peppers for this year's Super Bowl run, it would prevent him from walking scot free next year (they aren't going to throw 20 mil at him next year, they have some guys that they need to re-sign).

The only, ONLY hang-up here is Peppers' contract with NE. As many people have pointed out, Wilfork is the priority and it is unclear how they would retain him while still paying Peppers. You could feasibly have Wilfork for another two years, as he would be franchised next year, but absent a spending spree by Kraft in an uncapped year, you'd almost certainly lose him by bringing Peppers in. So any discussion of "well why would Peppers want to leave a 13-4 team" is moot; he's made it clear as day that he wants to do that, and my guess is he wants to go to NE.

The hang up, and what I think will prevent him from coming here, is our lack of space to sign him. The offseason moves; throwing cap space at guys like Shawn Springs, Fred Taylor, and Mike Wright in particular, don't make sense if you're thinking that they wanted to bring in Peppers. So, my guess is this doesn't happen, but it won't be because Carolina didn't want the 34 pick, NE didn't want Peppers, or that Peppers didn't want to play in NE. I think in the end he'll be offered 4M this year and some backloaded contract, and he'll decide against it. Belichick is far too smart to pin his entire team's hopes around the possibility of an uncapped year, especially in a depression.

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Grizzafted said:

Whoa now, whoa. A few things are getting lost right now. First, Peppers has made it very clear he does not wish to play in Carolina for even one more season. If he wanted to, he would have signed the franchise tender agreement or demanded (and gotten) his 10 mil per year, 7 year contract. The fact his he has publicly stated that he no longer wants to play DE, and that he wants to play OLB for a very select handful of teams.

The 34 pick would probably be a dream come true for Carolina. It's a high pick and unless they think they need Peppers for this year's Super Bowl run, it would prevent him from walking scot free next year (they aren't going to throw 20 mil at him next year, they have some guys that they need to re-sign).

The only, ONLY hang-up here is Peppers' contract with NE. As many people have pointed out, Wilfork is the priority and it is unclear how they would retain him while still paying Peppers. You could feasibly have Wilfork for another two years, as he would be franchised next year, but absent a spending spree by Kraft in an uncapped year, you'd almost certainly lose him by bringing Peppers in. So any discussion of "well why would Peppers want to leave a 13-4 team" is moot; he's made it clear as day that he wants to do that, and my guess is he wants to go to NE.

The hang up, and what I think will prevent him from coming here, is our lack of space to sign him. The offseason moves; throwing cap space at guys like Shawn Springs, Fred Taylor, and Mike Wright in particular, don't make sense if you're thinking that they wanted to bring in Peppers. So, my guess is this doesn't happen, but it won't be because Carolina didn't want the 34 pick, NE didn't want Peppers, or that Peppers didn't want to play in NE. I think in the end he'll be offered 4M this year and some backloaded contract, and he'll decide against it. Belichick is far too smart to pin his entire team's hopes around the possibility of an uncapped year, especially in a depression.

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I agree with both of your points. I think that Carolina would probably be happy to get rid of the Peppers headache at this point - he is causing confusion and chaos by essentially holding out and wrecking their cap situation, and he doesn't want to play for them. With #34 they could target a DE such as Michael Johnson or Robert Ayers, and while neither would likely provide Peppers' level of productivity both are 7 years younger and would be much cheaper.

I also agree that having the cap space to bring Peppers over is likely to be the major hangup. I don't think it's so much making the space to fit a long-term deal under the cap, if Peppers truly desires to play for a 3-4 team and is willing to take a more reasonable deal. I think the biggest hurdle is creating the $16.7M cap room needed to trade for him in the first place. I'm not sure how we do that without gutting the team. If we had traded for him immediately after trading Cassel and Vrabel (which I thought we might do) and then restructured him we might still have been able to afford our later FA signings (Springs, Bodden, Galloway, etc.). But now that we've made those signings, I just don't see how we can get back $16.7M under the cap in order to trade for Peppers, even if all 3 parties involved want it to happen.

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Patsrock said:

Yet people on here have wanted to cut Matt Light for years and hate Hobbs.

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Yes. They are ignorant of matters football.

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Major buzzkill. Move on but keep our eyes on it; JP wants what we've got and BB wants what he's got and that's not such a bad place to be.

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There is a piece that I don't think has been mentioned. If Shefter is privy to inside information, and was asked not to share it until until a certain time, he keeps his word, and waits to break the story. If this holds true in this case, I expect this would be his response. I'm not saying that this is the case, but it is well within the realm of possibility.

For the record, I thought the story was wrong when it came out yesterday. But it's definitely possible.

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Its nice to dream, and him being on our team would have been incredible, butwhat Adam Scheff says is usually the truth. Its time to wake up and remember that his cap hit, even for a long term would be ridiculously high and we dont have the room for that.

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Amazing.

Numerous posters here have been saying the reason Peppers never happens is a financial one, and now that Schefter echoes those opinions people finally wake up.

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What a tease. This is yet another reason why I don't trust the media.
Now I don't know what to think. :idontgetit: :confused3:

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Eh, it is what it is.

If it happens, cool. If not, a lot of draft picks that should fill in the holes for depth and for the future.

It's best to see it this way.

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Terry Glenn is a cowgirl said:

Eh, it is what it is.

If it happens, cool. If not, a lot of draft picks that should fill in the holes for depth and for the future.

It's best to see it this way.

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We cant do much we have no control. In BB we trust. What he feels right for the team he will do!

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KDPPatsfan85 said:

We cant do much we have no control. In BB we trust. What he feels right for the team he will do!

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Yes. It's simply the safest bet.

Don't get yer hopes up for crap like this.

It only makes you upset.

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Why is sports journalism such sh*t? If somebody broke a story that said that there were likely missiles being moved into Cuba, and it turned out to not be true, they'd lose their jobs permanently. Yeah the scale is different but the principle is the same. Where are the editors here?

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I don't know if anyone posted these yet, but Schefter has not been exactly batting .1000 this offseason. Here are a few links I saw on PFT's site:

NFL.com Blogs Blog Archive Cassel signs $14.65M franchise tender

Now that QB Matt Cassel has signed his $14.65 million non-exclusive franchise tender — the largest guarantee on a one-year contract in the history of the NFL — some around the league believe it’s 95 percent that he remains in New England.

The only way the Patriots would trade Cassel is if they know QB Tom Brady is healthy, and even if they do, the bidder needs to be to Cassel’s liking and offer a contract to his liking, or there’s no deal.

That’s not to say it can’t happen. But it’s not going to be easy to make it happen.

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Actually, it was fairly easy to make it happen and so much for the "some around the league" who thought there was a 95% chance Cassel would be staying in New England. Schefter may be absolutely right about Peppers, but he does get stuff wrong.

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Grizzafted said:

Why is sports journalism such sh*t? If somebody broke a story that said that there were likely missiles being moved into Cuba, and it turned out to not be true, they'd lose their jobs permanently. Yeah the scale is different but the principle is the same. Where are the editors here?

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In sports, rumors/speculation/inside information for personnel moves have always been given more leeway than real journalist reporting. It generally understood that these types of reports are rarely ever solid 100% verified or verifiable and taken that way.

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Since we're back with percentages, this has now become necessary.

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Deus Irae said:

Since we're back with percentages, this has now become necessary.

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I always wanted to try some of that pheromone stuff...

I'm going to be laughing at all those people who didn't think this deal would go through. Adam Shefter is legit, but I don't think Vic Carruci is going to write a headline story just for the fun of it. Carruci is only reporting what he heard. Shefter, Curren and everyone else is only reporting what they heard. Take everything with a grain of salt. Do you ever think BB is telling reporters the truth? Maybe Carruci's source is whack, but where there is smoke, there is fire. Peppers doesn't want to stay in Carolina and the Panthers can't keep franchising him every year. What is probably going down right now is that the Pats are allocating the necessary funds in order to acquire Peppers. This deal will happen, it's just a matter of time. If the Pats are desperate for a pass rush, do you really think their going to rely on TBC, Woods, Crable or a draft pick to fill that void?

And for the people that say that the Pats wouldn't pay someone outside their team big bucks before someone else currently on their team is ridiculous. Didn't they shell out big bucks for Adalius Thomas? This is a business and if the Pats feel that there is someone better out their in the market than currently on the team, their going to pay them.

This deal is going down.