Why ESPN's Ultimate Depth Chart is FLAWED.....

Let me tell you why I'm having trouble understanding the logic of these ESPN dudes analyzing who ranks where. Are they ranking teams based on depth at each position or who they think is best at each position. Because the Chargers DO NOT HAVE THE BEST DEPTH IN THE LEAGUE! They wear down every season. Tomlinson busts out the gates early in the season and then gets less carries as the season goes on, or at least his numbers fall. They have a great running back in Tomlinson, but after that? Not much, not better than K.C. And then the Seahawks? After Alexander they don't have anybody! Either do the Redskins after Portis! I think even these experts are misunderstanding the meaning of "DEPTH CHART". What team is best collectively at each posistion, not who has the best individual player that starts for them. Thats where I see a major flaw in these rankings. The reciever rankings are fair, but Running backs, Run defense are what I have a problem with. In terms of DEPTH, the Pats have the best D-Line in Football and their LB's will be fine. They were nice to rank the Pats in the top 10 of pass defense. When I watched the show on ESPN, they had the Pats #2 in QB's and the Colts were number #1. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I see it online that the Pats are #1, but I don't remember seeing it on T.V.

The Chargers problem is that no one knows how Rivers will do. If he plays up to the standard of the 1st/3rd pick in the draft, they'll be golden. If he's a stiff, they won't even make the playoffs.

It's flawed because it's a poll. And 90% percent of people who respond to on-line polls are either morons or homers.

The other 10% are both.

It's kind of hard to bash ESPN with a post like this showing you yourself have little knowledge beyond the big names. LT's backup Michael "The Burner" Turner is one of the best backups in the league and he proved it last year when he played, he's a home run threat and is short and stocky enough to make it hard to bring him down. Morris in Seattle is also thought to be one of the better backups, and at a point, Seattle was thinking of not even resigning Alexander and having Morris become the starter, which is pretty high praise about your backup. As for the Skins, Ladell Betts is a solid backup who has done a more than adequate job with his carries and they also have Cooley all over the place, and Sellers, Cartwright, and Nemo, all of which solid depth at certain jobs all over the backfield.

drew4008 said:

It's kind of hard to bash ESPN with a post like this showing you yourself have little knowledge beyond the big names. LT's backup Michael "The Burner" Turner is one of the best backups in the league and he proved it last year when he played, he's a home run threat and is short and stocky enough to make it hard to bring him down. Morris in Seattle is also thought to be one of the better backups, and at a point, Seattle was thinking of not even resigning Alexander and having Morris become the starter, which is pretty high praise about your backup. As for the Skins, Ladell Betts is a solid backup who has done a more than adequate job with his carries and they also have Cooley all over the place, and Sellers, Cartwright, and Nemo, all of which solid depth at certain jobs all over the backfield.

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Please, I know many names in the NFL. Yes I'm aware of Michael Turner, Yes I'm aware of Maurice Morris, Yes I'm aware of Ladell Betts.

Here are your stats for backups in the NFL:
Morris 2005 Seattle Seahawks 16 2 71 288 4.1 49 1 1 17 - Not eye popping, however, yards per carry is good
Betts 2005 Washington Redskins 12 0 89 338 3.8 22 1 1 17 - More yards, because more carries
Turner 2005 San Diego Chargers 16 0 57 335 5.9 83 3 1 11 - Best of the bunch

My point - K.C. should be #1. End of story! Johnson and Holmes (if he comes back) will be the best tandam in the league! Holmes can start anywhere and Johnson can start for any team. Turner, Betts, and Morris are unproven. They benefit from being a change of pace back. Denver could use more credit due to the fact that whoever they put in at running back, has a chance to gain 1,000 yards. In the end, you have made a great counter arguement and I thank you for that. All I know is, that the Pats are going to be a great team on offense and will be in the top 5. Their running game should be a lot better than last years, even though this is totally irrevelant to my arguement.

Their predictions are ridiculous. There is no way teams like Arizona, Baltimore and Atlanta belong above Miami. You guys are a good team, but are way too high IMO. We belong in the 7-9 range, as do you guys. Just my 2 cents.

Aqua4Ever04 said:

Their predictions are ridiculous. There is no way teams like Arizona, Baltimore and Atlanta belong above Miami. You guys are a good team, but are way too high IMO. We belong in the 7-9 range, as do you guys. Just my 2 cents.

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i needed a laugh.

desi-patsfan said:

i needed a laugh.

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While some of you guys are very understanding, there are still a select few of you that are incrediablly vein. Why is that funny? I don't need to go over this again with you guys because this is argument has been beaten to death. But I want to know why that is so funny? It's not an outrageous statement and if you think you are the 4th best team in the NFL, you couldn't be more wrong.

Aqua4Ever04 said:

Their predictions are ridiculous. There is no way teams like Arizona, Baltimore and Atlanta belong above Miami. You guys are a good team, but are way too high IMO. We belong in the 7-9 range, as do you guys. Just my 2 cents.

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Miami does belong in the 7 - 9 range.

We belong in the 12 - 4 range

hallfamebrady said:

Miami does belong in the 7 - 9 range.

We belong in the 12 - 4 range

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LOL! Another bitter, vein Pats fan. If you believe that, I feel sorry for you. Also, if you believe that, you have no football knowledge whatsoever.

Aqua4Ever04 said:

LOL! Another bitter, vein Pats fan. If you believe that, I feel sorry for you. Also, if you believe that, you have no football knowledge whatsoever.

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OK football expert. Tell me why I am wrong.

hallfamebrady said:

OK football expert. Tell me why I am wrong.

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Well I do this almost every day on this website because there are very few of you guys who know what is going on outside of New England.

The first thing is the QB. Last year we had Gus Frerotte and Sage Rosenfels. Those guys led us to 9 wins and they were both horrible. Frerotte was the 28th rated passer in the NFL. Do you mean to tell me that Daunte Culpepper is one of the worst 3 QBs in the league? He's not, he is a top 10 QB in this league. That right there propels us from a 9-7 record to AT LEAST 10 wins. No way we get worse this year.

Our O-line was much improved under new line coach Hudson Houck. They will continue to improve this year and we have added a new LT in L.J Shelton. He is much better than Vernon Carey or Damion McIntosh ever were.

Ronnie Brown has a year under his belt, and when he got the ball was very effective. Culpepper loves using his RBs in the passing game so expect his 32 receptions to increase big time. He also will get the bulk of the carries and will easily be a 1000 yard back this year.

Chris Chambers elevated himself to an elite status last year catching balls from 2 bums at QB. Now that he has a PRO BOWL QB, he will get even better. Marty Booker is as good a #2 WR as there is in this league. Derek Hagan was a steal in the draft and he will compete with new addition Kelly Campbell and Wes Welker for the 3 spot. Our TE Randy McMichael will also benefit from Daunte who made Jermaine Wiggins a pro bowler in Minnesota.

Our front 7 is all returning and has another year under their belts in learning Saban's defense. We were 2nd in the NFL in sacks last year.

Our secondary was not very good, it ranked 20th in the NFL but we have greatly improved that area with depth, and new starters. Will Poole was a very good corner before tearing his ACL in camp last year. He will join Will Allen and Travis Daniels to make a good CB crew. Jason Allen will start at safety with Renaldo Hill which is a much better duo than last year's TeBucky Jones and Yerimiah Bell.

Any questions? You probably didn't read this because all you care about is the stupid Pats and that's the only thing you know. But if you do read it, hopefully you realize we are going to be competitive this year.

Aqua4Ever04 said:

LOL! Another bitter, vein Pats fan. If you believe that, I feel sorry for you. Also, if you believe that, you have no football knowledge whatsoever.

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I'll take that over a bitter, artery Pats fan anyday. When does school go back in session after the summer break for you kids in Florida?

My kids don't go back until the end of August, already I can't wait.

T-ShirtDynasty said:

I'll take that over a bitter, artery Pats fan anyday. When does school go back in session after the summer break for you kids in Florida?

My kids don't go back until the end of August, already I can't wait.

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Glad to see you're a great parent who loves spending time with his kids. I actully just graduated up here in the state of Washington earlier this spring. Because one of my fingers went down before the other on a keyboard makes me unintelligent?

But I can see why you would turn to this to avoid the topic at hand. Good football statement to come back with man! ::THUMBS UP::

Aqua4Ever04 said:

Glad to see you're a great parent who loves spending time with his kids. I actully just graduated up here in the state of Washington earlier this spring. Because one of my fingers went down before the other on a keyboard makes me unintelligent?

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Hmmm.... all THREE times that you tried to call us vain you end up spelling vein?
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/search.php?searchid=36233
Yet a search for 'vain' under your username brings up nothing:
I'd link it, but it's just a generic page that says "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

No, mistaking the two words doesn't make you unintelligent! It's the same type of mistake that my boy would make, and he's as sharp as a whip (for his age). Your spelling of incrediablly, however is another story. Now toddle off to bed fin-boy, or did Mom let you stay up late on the 'puter tonight? Kewl!

That reminds me, I should bugger off and check on my own kids.

(Oh... now I see what you think you did. No, you didn't reverse the E and the I, you got the whole word wrong. Sorry.)

T-ShirtDynasty said:

Hmmm.... all THREE times that you tried to call us vain you end up spelling vein?
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/search.php?searchid=36233
Yet a search for 'vain' under your username brings up nothing:
I'd link it, but it's just a generic page that says "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

No, mistaking the two words doesn't make you unintelligent! It's the same type of mistake that my boy would make, and he's as sharp as a whip (for his age). Your spelling of incrediablly, however is another story. Now toddle off to bed fin-boy, or did Mom let you stay up late on the 'puter tonight? Kewl!

That reminds me, I should bugger off and check on my own kids.

(Oh... now I see what you think you did. No, you didn't reverse the E and the I, you got the whole word wrong. Sorry.)

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Like I said, you'd rather talk about my spelling airs than football because you know you're just an idiot and all you know is that Tom Brady is your QB and BB is your coach. You're a pathetic football fan my friend. I still haven't seen a response to my peice above about the 2006 Fins.

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Like I said, you'd rather talk about my spelling airs than football because you know you're just an idiot and all you know is that Tom Brady is your QB and BB is your coach. You're a pathetic football fan my friend. I still haven't seen a response to my peice above about the 2006 Fins.

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I never claimed that you misspelled 'airs', I just said you erred in your word choice. It's okay man, my kid has a hard time with the whole 'two, to and too' thing as well. It'll come with time.

Now, perhaps, before one comes into another's home and accuses him of lacking knowledge, one should be at least knowledgeable about the language in which he is using to throw said accusations around? No?

Sponge Bob is on in like 10 minutes, hit the hay (hey?) buddy.

By the way, I thought I should perhaps link airs and errs for you.

Plus you want to watch out for not only vein and vain, but also vane. Those are kinda tricky.

And just in case, here's two, to and too as well.

You continue to prove your lack of football knowledge my friend.