Steelers: Dynasty or Myth?

"I dont like it, but if you are unbias, you have to say they are a dynasty and probably the best over a long period of time."

Agreed; I don't like it either, but as BB says, it is what it is. The Steelers don't annoy me one bit, they've never gone through us to a Super Bowl title, we've gone through them twice, in their house both times.

The Colts annoy me way more than the Steelers do and if the Steelers win another Super Bowl, they are the second best team this decade, dropping the Colts to a distant third, which is even sweeter.............

TommyBrady12 said:

I hate the steelers, especially since one of their fans invented the bernard Pollard fan club t shirt.

I wanted to get your views on whether or not you think the steelers are one of the NFL's elite teams or just a myth. They were notorious for taking steriods and other substances in the 70s. Those substances were not banned until later (1989), but they were clearly performance enhancing and is not the same as lifting weights. To me, steroids is far worse than video taping. we video taped but whether it helped the team or not is questionable especially since we had two winning seasons after we got caught.

Something tells me the steelers D this year is just a product of steroids and HGH.

Dr. Richard Rydze is latest in Pittsburgh Steelers' links to performance-enhancing drugs - ESPN

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People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. As a fanbase already dealing with false allegations we shouldn't be so quick to bury another team over a cheating scandal. It's an ESPN story and should be treated like the trash it is.

Double G said:

Iv'e seen your work on the Celtics board; that is the height of comedy on this forum. And comedy in a pathetic/sad/I feel sorry for your parents kind of way, not in a funny ha ha kind of way.

For any of you who haven't seen it, go check it out; the part I liked best is when mensa boy here gets b!tch slapped by a mod, the ultimate kick in the balls.

They're doing wonderful things these days with electroshock therapy; my suggestion is for you to look into it and while you're at it, run that coconut of yours down to the local fix it shop and get that loose screw tightened.

Oh and as far as your "how can I prove I didn't start rooting for the Patriots in 2004" comment; I hope for your sake you are not basing that on my join date because if you are, you might want to talk to one of the mods about that. Once you do and they tell you what happened around here that messed up many forum members joining date, you'll feel like a bigger moron than you are now (if that is humanly possible).

You've done a stellar job of making a complete asshat out of yourself in this thread; calling me out as a Steeler fan (which I'm not), not being able to understand how much of a front running fraud you are by being a Patriots/Lakers/fill in the blank fan, and screwing up by calling me out as a fan only from 2004 based on an incorrect join date.

Please let us all know what public school system you drifted through so we can warn parents in that town.........

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I think some of that ink has seeped into your brain from this:

http://granitegrok.com/pix/LaconiaPatFan.jpg

"I think some of that ink has seeped into your brain from this"

Ok fruitloop, you PM'ed me that picture, now you're posting it on the forum too?

This attempt at humor from a turd who has a Lakers tatoo on his ballsack no doubt.

Keep em coming, you're quite the comedian, but not in the Rodney Dangerfield/Don Rickles/Chris Rock kind of way, more like the carrot top/emo phillips/michael richards kind of way.

Double G said:

Ok fruitloop, you PM'ed me that picture, now you're posting it on the forum too?

This attempt at humor from a turd who has a Lakers tatoo on his ballsack no doubt.

Keep em coming, you're quite the comedian, but not in the Rodney Dangerfield/Don Rickles/Chris Rock kind of way, more like the carrot top/emo phillips/michael richards kind of way.

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Just thought I'd make your humiliation public! But you don't need any help from me in that department, you've already done enough to humiliate yourself on this thread

Some of you people are acting like a bunch of Colts or Raiders fans-- pathetic. Can we stop the crap tossing and discuss the topic?

This is in no way a Steeler dynasty, now, in this decade. A dynasty doesn't mean a period of time where you are always pretty good, or even a period of time where you occasionally compete for a title. A dynasty means you win a championship when everybody expects you to win it before the season starts, then you likely win it again, and pile up three or more rings with many of the same players. Sure, this is my own definition, but I think it's a pretty good one though people may disagree (and if they do I won't call them names!)

The 2005 Steelers barely made the playoffs. They earned their championship for sure, but their postseason excellence doesn't cover up for the fact that they were not a dominating team for most of the year.

This year they have a good-but-not-great team with a very good and possibly great defense. They deserve credit for surviving a very tough schedule and having lots of injuries to starters. They have had a relatively easy road, this being a year where even the top teams have a lot of serious flaws.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

Some of you people are acting like a bunch of Colts or Raiders fans-- pathetic. Can we stop the crap tossing and discuss the topic?

This is in no way a Steeler dynasty, now, in this decade. A dynasty doesn't mean a period of time where you are always pretty good, or even a period of time where you occasionally compete for a title. A dynasty means you win a championship when everybody expects you to win it before the season starts, then you likely win it again, and pile up three or more rings with many of the same players. Sure, this is my own definition, but I think it's a pretty good one though people may disagree (and if they do I won't call them names!)

The 2005 Steelers barely made the playoffs. They earned their championship for sure, but their postseason excellence doesn't cover up for the fact that they were not a dominating team for most of the year.

This year they have a good-but-not-great team with a very good and possibly great defense. They deserve credit for surviving a very tough schedule and having lots of injuries to starters. They have had a relatively easy road, this being a year where even the top teams have a lot of serious flaws.

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Wow. You had me there for a little while at least. I agree, I wouldn't be calling the Steelers a Dynasty this decade yet. They've only won ONE championship so far. Hopefully it'll be two in a week or so, but that's still not enough to start throwing around the term "dynasty" in my opinion. So....that much we agree on. Well, that and the part about people acting like complete idiots on this thread.

The Steelers team this year IS very good, I'd say at least borderline GREAT. They were the #2 seed, so that's pretty "great" in my book. No quite as "great" as nbeing the #1 seed, so I'll give ya that one. But anyone who thinks their defense this year is ANYTHING BUT great, doesn't know much about great defenses. This year's Steeler's D is one of the greatest all-time units to ever take the NFL field! Then, you go on to say "They deserve credit for surviving a very tough schedule..." followed by "They have had a relatively easy road..." So, which is it? Some of the teams they had on their schedule under-performed a bit this season, but they STILL had the toughest schedule.

So, I suppose I should just be happy a Pats fan and a Steeler fan agreed on SOMETHING, right?!!

Triggerfish said:

Then, you go on to say "They deserve credit for surviving a very tough schedule..." followed by "They have had a relatively easy road..." So, which is it?

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Why I meant was a tough regular season schedule and a relatively easy postseason path to a championship (8-8 Chargers, 11-5 but familiar Ravens, 9-7 Cards). They had many tougher three game sequences in the regular season!

I think their D could be a great defense. It probably is, assuming they finish the job. Offensively they seem too limited to be considered a great team, to me.

Ok....I gotcha. I'm not sure beating Baltimore for the THIRD time is exactly a cake-walk, but I can respect that opinion. Their defense (regardless of the SB outcome) has been tremendous this season, but they do lack offensive explosiveness.

Triggerfish said:

Ok....I gotcha. I'm not sure beating Baltimore for the THIRD time is exactly a cake-walk, but I can respect that opinion. Their defense (regardless of the SB outcome) has been tremendous this season, but they do lack offensive explosiveness.

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The only real flaw with the current Steelers team is the offensive line. They have a great qb, very good wr's and rb's. Heath Miller is a very good tight end. The line just isn't that good. It's much improved from earlier in the season but still a weakness.

Mangold74 said:

The only real flaw with the current Steelers team is the offensive line. They have a great qb, very good wr's and rb's. Heath Miller is a very good tight end. The line just isn't that good. It's much improved from earlier in the season but still a weakness.

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I agree, that's a pretty good assessment. If the Steelers can address the OL in the off-season then many will consider them the AFC favorites going in to next season.

Triggerfish - what's Pittsburgh's situation with free agents? What key players are the Steelers potentially going to lose? As I recall James Farrior is the only big name player headed to free agency.

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I agree, that's a pretty good assessment. If the Steelers can address the OL in the off-season then many will consider them the AFC favorites going in to next season.

Triggerfish - what's Pittsburgh's situation with free agents? What key players are the Steelers potentially going to lose? As I recall James Farrior is the only big name player headed to free agency.

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Actually, the Steelers tied up Farrior back in August with a 5 year contract. The only "big" names that could be leaving this season are McFadden, Nate Washington, Byron Leftwich, and Charlie Batch.

I hope they make a move to re-sign McFadden, as it seems he's just starting to come into his own, and I'd hate to lose him now. I really like Nate too, and would love to see him stay as well, but tough call there. He's a very under-rated receiver, but with the organization's high expectations for Limas Sweed, it'll be interesting to see what they do with him. Of the two QBs, I'd obviously rather keep Lefty around, but he's looking for a starting gig. With so many teams in pretty dire need of a QB this offseason, I could see him landing as a starter somewhere. I don't hate Batch though. He's been a very capable replacement when he can stay healthy enough to help the team. I could see him signing a low-ball contract for another two or three years, and providing some depth while they mold the next Ben, especially if Lefty gets a good offer somewhere else.

Next season will be a "bubble" year for this team I think, as some big name veterans will be FAs. 2010 will see these guys as FA's:
Hines Ward
Casey Hampton
Brett Keisel
Willie Parker
Larry Foote
Ryan Clark
DeShea Townsend
Justin Hartwig
Jeff Reed
James Harrison

Then in 2011, these guys will be FAs;
Ike Taylor
Santonio Holmes
Lamar Woodley
Mewelde Moore


No way all of them survive. I think Ward will get one more deal for sure, Parker kinda depends on his ability to stay healthy I think, and I hope to god they can scrape enough $$ together to keep Harrison, Woodley, and Holmes around for a few more years. I have a feeling we'll be saying goodbye to some veterans though in the next year or two, no doubt.

At present there is nothing dynastic about the Steelers whatsoever. In the past yes, but not at the moment. A dynasty suggests achieving the ultimate success year in year out over a certain period of time.

Steelers have 1 SB title this decade and slighty above average win loss scenario. The Patriots 3 rings and an exceptional record.

ausbacker said:

At present there is nothing dynastic about the Steelers whatsoever. In the past yes, but not at the moment. A dynasty suggests achieving the ultimate success year in year out over a certain period of time.

Steelers have 1 SB title this decade and slighty above average win loss scenario. The Patriots 3 rings and an exceptional record.

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They are not a Dynasty now. No doubt, but "slightly above average win loss" I disagree with.

Regular season since 2000
Pats 102-42
Colts 101-43
Eagles 100-44
Steelers 94-49-1

Steelers a a little above average this decade in the win loss Scenario.

PATRIOTSFANINPA said:

Our Rodney was on HGH too as well as Kaczur with situations involving drugs usage so lets stop the whole NFL is wrong and the Patriots are right Bullsh!t

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wow actual honesty on this forum, refreshing

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

Some of you people are acting like a bunch of Colts or Raiders fans-- pathetic. Can we stop the crap tossing and discuss the topic?

This is in no way a Steeler dynasty, now, in this decade. A dynasty doesn't mean a period of time where you are always pretty good, or even a period of time where you occasionally compete for a title. A dynasty means you win a championship when everybody expects you to win it before the season starts, then you likely win it again, and pile up three or more rings with many of the same players. Sure, this is my own definition, but I think it's a pretty good one though people may disagree (and if they do I won't call them names!)

The 2005 Steelers barely made the playoffs. They earned their championship for sure, but their postseason excellence doesn't cover up for the fact that they were not a dominating team for most of the year.

This year they have a good-but-not-great team with a very good and possibly great defense. They deserve credit for surviving a very tough schedule and having lots of injuries to starters. They have had a relatively easy road, this being a year where even the top teams have a lot of serious flaws.

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actually a dynasty means winning 3 or more championships with the same basic core group (can apply to head coach/ players)

ie if belichik wins 3 sbs (and he has) with the same team even if it's a different core group, it's a dynasty.

the cowboys won multiple sbs with aikman/emmitt/irvin, but with 2 different HCs....still a dynasty because it's the same core group of players


pitt would have to win this sb and another one to be a dynasty nowadays

their 70's teams were obviously one of the greatest dynasties


for my money, nothing beats the 49ers one

unbeaten in sbs....perfect

doesnt really matter since the cards are going to win that game.

Sivy said:

doesnt really matter since the cards are going to win that game.

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Boo Hiss...Boo Hiss

I despise most Steeler fans, but I wish the Patriots had a defense even somewhat resembling their team's godly D.

Sivy said:

doesnt really matter since the cards are going to win that game.

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I hope the cards shock the world but lets be real, the steelers should win easily.