Cleveland Plain-Dealer: Pioli still weighing options

Pretty much the same story intimated in the Cleveland Plain Dealer this AM, but Florio takes it a step further.. glad to see, from what he reports, that he has not forgiven Mangini and his turncoat behavior...

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And while no one has directly said so, it’s now becoming clear that Pioli and Mangini, former colleagues in Cleveland, will not be working together — possibly due to the lingering aftermath of Spygate, in which Mangini is perceived to have blown the whistle on practices in New England about which Mangni knew but did not complain while working there, instead parlaying those tactics into a head-coaching position with the Jets.

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It's amazing that there was any notion of forcing Pioli to make a decision on any timetable but his own. He holds all the cards.

It would kindof be funny to see the revolt in Cleveland if they hired Mangini - though I'd feel pretty sorry for them.

From the same article;

Current employees of both franchises believe that, like his father-in-law Bill Parcells, Pioli will come to town and identify who needs to be fired, and then fire them.

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Makes sense, considering what ESPN is reporting about Pioli's recent meeting with Browns officials;

Mangini had "compelling" interview

Scott Pioli, the Patriots' executive vice president of player personnel, has been considered the favorite for the GM job, but sources say his demands were "extreme," and Lerner is hesitant to accept the terms unless there is some level of compromise.

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I'm sure he'd want the final say about head coach and staff hirings.

JoeSixPat said:

It's amazing that there was any notion of forcing Pioli to make a decision on any timetable but his own. He holds all the cards.

It would kindof be funny to see the revolt in Cleveland if they hired Mangini - though I'd feel pretty sorry for them.

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After checking some of the Brown's fan pages, the opionion is split down the middle concerning Mangini as head coach. However many for the "for" side of the hiring are beginning to convince the "against" using the "It was all Farves fault for Mangini getting canned in New York" argument.

DamnYankee57 said:

From the same article;



Makes sense, considering what ESPN is reporting about Pioli's recent meeting with Browns officials;

Mangini had "compelling" interview



I'm sure he'd want the final say about head coach and staff hirings.

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But these can't possibly be the "extreme" demands that are being referred to. They are pretty much sop when hiring a high profile gm, aren't they?
Pioli would be nuts to take the job without being able to name the hc and much of the rest of the staff. It's a great test of Lerner's sincerity.

DamnYankee57 said:

After checking some of the Brown's fan pages, the opionion is split down the middle concerning Mangini as head coach. However many for the "for" side of the hiring are beginning to convince the "against" using the "It was all Farves fault for Mangini getting canned in New York" argument.

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I guess they have to start rationalizing in case it happens.

As Florio keeps pointing out there's plenty of folks who want to keep their jobs in Cleveland - therefore they don't want Pioli and DO want Mangini - who let the inmates run the asylum in New York, and even let the players force him to trade them or give contract extensions.

vyrago said:

But these can't possibly be the "extreme" demands that are being referred to. They are pretty much sop when hiring a high profile gm, aren't they?
Pioli would be nuts to take the job without being able to name the hc and much of the rest of the staff. It's a great test of Lerner's sincerity.

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Florio's arguments might make sense for the Browns but don't w/the Chiefs. They are in a much better position than are the Browns in terms of salary cap and young talent on the roster as well as being armed w/draft picks from the Jared Allen trade. They also have the option of trading Larry Johnson for more picks. The Chiefs began this last season with the youngest team in the NFL, the starting lineup had an average of 25.5 years of age. Also as recently as 2003 they were 13-3 and also went 10-6 in 2005.

Also where does Florio get the notion that Pioli is like his father-in-law,

Current employees of both franchises believe that, like his father-in-law Bill Parcells, Pioli will come to town and identify who needs to be fired, and then fire them.

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What evidence is there to support that?? Pioli has had 1 job, when BB hired him in 2000, where he's had even roster shaping ability and he didn't fire any ticket takers here. Before that he was a pro personnel assistant with Cleveland and then Director of Pro Personnel for Baltimore. Also, like vyrago says, doesn't every GM that starts a new job make changes?? So these current employees with these teams should be worried no matter who takes the job, right??

BPF said:

Florio's arguments might make sense for the Browns but don't w/the Chiefs. They are in a much better position than are the Browns in terms of salary cap and young talent on the roster as well as being armed w/draft picks from the Jared Allen trade. They also have the option of trading Larry Johnson for more picks. The Chiefs began this last season with the youngest team in the NFL, the starting lineup had an average of 25.5 years of age. Also as recently as 2003 they were 13-3 and also went 10-6 in 2005.

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That wad was spent in last year's draft; as of now they only have their standard seven picks in this year's draft.

ctpatsfan77 said:

That wad was spent in last year's draft; as of now they only have their standard seven picks in this year's draft.

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You're right, 1st round pick and two 3rd round choices, in addition they also exchanged picks in the 6th round. Failed to mention that they also have Tony Gonzalez as trade bait for more picks.

Still though...I see KC as a better fit for Piioli than Cleveland...different owner...although the HERM things might be a problem..

BPF said:

Also where does Florio get the notion that Pioli is like his father-in-law,
What evidence is there to support that??

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Read what you quoted in your own post. The quote did not say he was like his father-in-law. It said like his father-in-law, he would determine who should be fired and who should stay.

That is what a new GM does when taking over a suck franchise. They cleam house. That gets rid of all the old debris and deadwood.

spacecrime said:

Read what you quoted in your own post. The quote did not say he was like his father-in-law. It said like his father-in-law, he would determine who should be fired and who should stay.

That is what a new GM does when taking over a suck franchise. They cleam house. That gets rid of all the old debris and deadwood.

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That's what I said new GM do but I disagree that that would happen in KC, also Pioli is not at all like BP, he actually stays in one spot for more than 3 yrs and doesn't play people off other people every time his contract comes due. I know what the quote says but Florio is trying to make us believe that people are running scared because Pioli is like BP.

Agreed....I can't believe there is any chance Pioli would take the job in Cleveland. If selecting the head coach is a big deal for Lerner, why would Pioli want to go there?

Kansas City, where he'd have the same powers as Carl Peterson, would be a much better job.

DarrylS said:

Pretty much the same story intimated in the Cleveland Plain Dealer this AM, but Florio takes it a step further.. glad to see, from what he reports, that he has not forgiven Mangini and his turncoat behavior...

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Just relative to your quote Darryl, lose is spelled lose. Not two O's.

JDSal45 said:

Just relative to your quote Darryl, lose is spelled lose. Not two O's.

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Thanks for the correction, never realized this before..

What extreme demands could he be making? Wanting complete control over hiring the head coach and complete say over all players and the draft is not extreme.

DarrylS said:

Thanks for the correction, never realized this before..

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Maybe spelling was not a point of emphasis when you were at BB University ...

Little tidbit here from what I consider to be a reliable source :

Scout.com: Whither Scott Pioli?

"Patriots head coach Bill Belichick, sources have stated, is extremely anxious for Pioli to make a decision and is privately pushing for an end to this sooner rather than later."

BelichickFan said:

Little tidbit here from what I consider to be a reliable source :

Scout.com: Whither Scott Pioli?

"Patriots head coach Bill Belichick, sources have stated, is extremely anxious for Pioli to make a decision and is privately pushing for an end to this sooner rather than later."

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I think Pioli stays in the end, dont ask me why just a hunch...

Here is a recently updated article regarding the Cleveland situation:


Browns to interview Ravens' Kokinis for GM post - Cleveland Browns football NFL News - cleveland.com