Former failure Belichick has no chance this year

Best case scenario this season is 9-7.... 10-6 maybe if they get some breaks. Challenge for another title this year? Don't make me laugh till I cry. They are just not as good a team as previous years. But its all good, its a reload season and maybe the 2006 draft will provide the core needed to be in the hunt next year.... BB is a good coach but we don't have the horses this year....:rocker:

Feep_FLA said:

Best case scenario this season is 9-7.... 10-6 maybe if they get some breaks. Challenge for another title this year? Don't make me laugh till I cry. They are just not as good a team as previous years. But its all good, its a reload season and maybe the 2006 draft will provide the core needed to be in the hunt next year.... BB is a good coach but we don't have the horses this year....:rocker:

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Have you seen the schedule we play this year versus last year?

Feep_FLA said:

Best case scenario this season is 9-7.... 10-6 maybe if they get some breaks. Challenge for another title this year? Don't make me laugh till I cry. They are just not as good a team as previous years. But its all good, its a reload season and maybe the 2006 draft will provide the core needed to be in the hunt next year.... BB is a good coach but we don't have the horses this year....:rocker:

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No offense, darlin' but you need to git on in outta that hot Florida sun......or lay off the hooch so early in the day.

We lost a 33 year old kicker one reciever and 34 year old linebacker......we're doomed for sure! BB is a good coach? Can we get poor Feep some Kool Aid to mix with his hooch??

AllabouttheVinces said:

For the record, we don't rebuild, we reload!!! You are right on your 2nd point - we will challenge again for it all.

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I-I-I stand corrected!!!!

Feep_FLA said:

Best case scenario this season is 9-7.... 10-6 maybe if they get some breaks. Challenge for another title this year? Don't make me laugh till I cry. They are just not as good a team as previous years. But its all good, its a reload season and maybe the 2006 draft will provide the core needed to be in the hunt next year.... BB is a good coach but we don't have the horses this year....:rocker:

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Someone please re-post this quote on September 25th. Then we'll see what he says...

Feep_FLA said:

Best case scenario this season is 9-7.... 10-6 maybe if they get some breaks. Challenge for another title this year? Don't make me laugh till I cry. They are just not as good a team as previous years. But its all good, its a reload season and maybe the 2006 draft will provide the core needed to be in the hunt next year.... BB is a good coach but we don't have the horses this year....:rocker:

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Admittedly, it is pre-TC, but here are some reasons why the 2006 team looks (at the moment) to be in line for a more successful year:

1) The OL line is FAR, FAR, deeper than last year. The two wonder-rooks from last year (Mankins and Kazcur) now have a cycle of experience and know what to expect from the NFL. Britt and O'Callaghan are wildcards with great potential. I'd be very nervous if i were Brandon Gorin right now.

2) The RB situation is nothing like last year. There will be no Heath Evans or Amos Zeroue sightings this year. The middle of 2005 was like trying to fly an airplane without wings.

3) The DL (already the best in the NFL) just got a steal in getting a 25 year old backup NT who was a 6th pick first rounder. Don't think that going from Haslett to BB is not an upgrade for the kid's usage?

4) Corey is PIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSED!

5) The Pats are #6 in available cap money left to spend. Hello Ahmad, or Ty, or Ashley...........

6) One of these years the Patriots will NOT lead the NFL in injuries. It's the law of averages, folks. The streak must end sometime.

7) Maroney, Jackson, Thomas, Mills, Gostkowski, O'Callaghan......

8) 19 DB's trying to win 10 jobs

9) Did I mentioned that Corey is PIIIIISSSSED?

10) A D-Coord who is not looking at this position as a stepping stone to advance his career.

11) McDaniels is no longer a rookie O-Coord. My God, sometimes I feel that the coaches and GM's are becoming so progressively younger these days that soon we'll be watching fetuses run teams.

12) Tedy getting a full pre-season in.

13) This year they are not forcing Square Peq (Beisel) into Round Hole ("Mike"). The young man is finally going to be the "Will" this year and it will make all the difference in the world.

14) Did I mention that Corey Dillon is somewhat perturbed?

Loser...

"The Patriots still should be considered the division favorites in a weak AFC East." Well, at least he isn't on the Dolphins bandwagon yet.

Allright! I got some folks to bite! I thought Schmessy's reply was the best. I agree with his assessment of the O & D lines and Corey IS ppissed off, which is great! Its a long wait till TC and opening day but lets not say we have a another title delivered just yet folks. I like the team and I liked the draft a lot. BB one of the best in the biz, if not the best at evaluating talent and potential.
I'll go out on a limb and say we "should" win the division!:rocker:

VJCPatriot said:

What a homer. Gibbs is a good coach but his team advanced no further than the Pats did last season. This proves he is better than BB how? BB has 3 rings on his fingers already. He has nothing to prove.

I think the Pats are poised to win it all again this year as long as they can stay healthy.

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This comment makes no sense. The Patriots were defending Super Bowl champions last year and the Redskins had been garbage for quite a while. Gibbs did an amazing job with that team last year and is one of the greatest coaches of all-time. He certainly deserves the right to be in any argument regarding who is the best coach in football.

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13) This year they are not forcing Square Peq (Beisel) into Round Hole ("Mike"). The young man is finally going to be the "Will" this year and it will make all the difference in the world.

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I see Beisel at the "Jack," not the outside "Will."

fgssand said:

More garbage from Realfootball 365.

The article is really about who is the better coach -- Gibbs or BB, which I say is rediculous as they are both very good coaches and there is no need for this debate.

"Meanwhile, Belichick, a former failure in Cleveland before joining New England in 2000, has a Patriots roster that seems to be crumbling in talent. The team went 10-6 last season and suffered a brutal defeat at the hands of the Denver Broncos in the Divisional Round. Key title contributors of the past such as linebacker Willie McGinest, receiver David Givens and kicker Adam Vinatieri departed during the offseason, so Belichick will have a substantial amount of work cut out for him. "

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2006/06/joe-gibbs-redskins160606.html

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Crumbling in talent?

Let's see, the team has the best DLine in Football. The best QB in football. The best TE corp in football. A VERY deep DB corp. They drafted the best WR in the draft. The best RB in the draft this side of Bush. The best kicker in the draft. They are essentially adding 4, 5, 6? talented players to the team that missed all or part of last year (Light, Harrison, Koppen, G. Scott, C. Scott, Randall Gay etc.).

I hope some talented computer guru in PatsFan world keeps track of those saying this kind of crap. They look stupid, and will look more so later.

Buried Alive in a Crypt of Crumbles
AP Asinine Press

June 19th, 2006

Residents of this sleepy Foxboro town awoke today to a fantastic sight. The normally colorful summer landscape was covered in a blanket of white as large blizzardous flakes fell serenely from the sky.

"I lived in Foxborah all my life" said beer enthusiast Jeff Margodan, "I've seen some strange things, but nevah a blizzid in June, and with the temperatures soaring in the ninetahs".

What Mr.. Margodan and other unsuspecting Foxborons had at first mistaken for a summer snow storm was actually a blizzard of crumbles. Yes, crumbles!

Because these crumbles appear to be isolated to Foxboro and the surrounding suburbs, it is evident that they are in fact the remnants of the former New England Patriot Dynasty.

"I knew the dynasty was coming to an end" reported Judy Blanchard, a 63 year old stay at home knitter. "I just never imagined waking up to crumbles of it three quarter way up my front door."

Such was the response from other residents that had managed to excavate themselves from the crumbles. City officials reported that only the main roads had been plowed since 43% of the city's trucks were in off-season maintenance at the time.

Howard Page, a 54 year old plow operator and substitute duck boat driver added "I don't appreciate the complaints from the folks who want us to clear the roads faster. If them dang Patriots had just resigned Adam Vinatieri and some of them other star players we wouldn't be buried crack deep in crumbles!"

A high level anonymous source from the NFL told us "Whenever you have a dynasty, you always have to take care to disperse the talent around the league slowly to avoid this kind of crumbling catastrophe. Sometimes it just can't be helped. The NFL did everything it could to avoid having another dynasty in the first place but that frick'n Belichick is a certified genius."

We were doubtful that the NFL would take such an active role, but high level anonymous sources have never been wrong before, except when they were.

The Massachusetts Department of Transportation said that it expected to have all roads cleared by Tuesday evening and that truckloads of crumbles were already enroute to New Orleans.

"Well, looks like we're back in the rebuilding mode" exclaimed one fanatical Patriot football fan through the mouth slit of the brown paper bag he was wearing.

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Not sure, but I think I heard that Corey is PISSED. That alone will be enough for the league to handle.

I think ranking the Pats 3rd in the AFC right nw is reasonable. The Colts were 15-1, the Steelers won the SB. We were 10-6, and lost to the Broncos. Absolutley there are reasons to believe we can win it all, but other teams have reasons to believe that too. I think you can rank those 3 in any order and make an argument. I also believe time will show those picking the Pats as #1 were correct.
I dont have a problem with Seattle up there, even at #1. The best team in the weaker conference should be ranked higher, assuming you are ranking based on chance to get to or win the SB. They have a much easier road.
The Redskins 4th is assinine, they are not that good. They have no QB, and while they should challenge for a playoff spot simply do not have an offense that can win 2 or 3 playoff games. Carolina may be #2 in the NFC, but should no way be above the AFCs 3 best, ease of route to get there or not (it isnt that easy for them because they aren't clearly better than the pack).

Downgrading the Pats from the elite because they must imporve over last year, and that leaves uncertainty is fair. The reasons they used are not accurate.


As far as the Gibbs/BB article, Gibbs has every right to be in the argument with BB as the best HC in the NFL. He has a tremendous track record. Of course the 3 he won took him 14 years, and the reason he had 3 different QBs is that he never developed on who was good for more than a year. Personally, I give BB more credit for developing Brady (IMO, saying BB won because of Brady is a complement and an argument in his favor, because he developed him) than I give Gibbs for failing with Schroeder, Williams (he was awful outside of that one partial season) Rypien, etc. I dont know that going through a bunch of QB and winning once in a while with different one is better than developing one, sticking with him and winning 3 times in 4 years.

The problem with the article isnt the premise, because Gibbs and BB are debatable (I certainly would choose BB, from an unbiased standpoint as well) but the lame arguments and cheap shots to support his pre-supposed conclusion.

For what its worth, I would rather have:
A) Lack of success for your 1st 5 years as a HC, then 3 SBs in 5 years
than
B) 3 SBs over 14 years (now 16) with a better overall record in the non-SB years.

Over the same timeframes Gibbs would have won more games in the regular season but fewer titles.

That brings up a question that I wouldnt think twice about, but others may.
Which would you prefer in your team/coach, from day hired:

2-14
5-11
5-11
12-4 SB Win
7-9
12-4 SB win
14-2 SB win
5-11
6-10
13-3 SB win
14-2 SB win

or

10-6
11-5
12-4 SB win
10-6
11-5
13-3
13-3 SB win
9-7
11-5
12-4 SB win

In other words: In 10 seasons would you choose 5 SB titles and 5 losing seasons, or 3 SB titles, and no losing seasons? (and probably playoffs 8 or 9 of those years)

I would choose 1 in a heartbeat.