The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One

TheRazor said:

Who the fahk is we? Patriot Nation? Then I am part of that "we", meathead

And being a fan of the Patriots, I can be opinionated, and choose my own path of thought. I do not have to fall in line with what you say, gimme a break.
Brady blew his knee out and suffered a rare infection to a wound that needed to have an even rarer repeat surgery to be drained, and treated with intravenous antibiotics. Thats not like any other knee surgery I have EVER heard about.

I have had knee surgery, by Dr. Tom Gill (the Patriots team doctor) and my knee has never been the same since, and neither has anyone I have met who has had knee surgery, sure they function, but the knee neveris quite the same again. Argue all you want killa, Im callin the forrest for the trees.

For what its worth I hope they put bionics in Brady's knee, or fused his ligaments with flubber so that they never snap apart like a rubber band again.
Shoot, I wish they fused his whole skeletal frame with adamantium.

I am not wishing anything bad on Brady, godspeed on his recovery.

But if a douche-bag like Matt Cassel can take us to a Super Bowl victory, anyone can,
so trade 'em both and get as many number ones as possible.


(and for all the matt cassel fans, if he throws 400yds tomorrow I will apologize, I have never really thought much of #16, I liked Gutierrez better)

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blackglass3 said:

Yeah, exactly. That statement about 18 months is either from 1989 or from someone who isn't a doctor AND didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

Brayd will be starting for the New England Patriots Kickoff Weekend 2009 and will be as effective as he was before he got hurt.

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TheRazor said:

Who the fahk is we? Patriot Nation? Then I am part of that "we", meathead

And being a fan of the Patriots, I can be opinionated, and choose my own path of thought. I do not have to fall in line with what you say, gimme a break.
Brady blew his knee out and suffered a rare infection to a wound that needed to have an even rarer repeat surgery to be drained, and treated with intravenous antibiotics. Thats not like any other knee surgery I have EVER heard about.

I have had knee surgery, by Dr. Tom Gill (the Patriots team doctor) and my knee has never been the same since, and neither has anyone I have met who has had knee surgery, sure they function, but the knee neveris quite the same again. Argue all you want killa, Im callin the forrest for the trees.

For what its worth I hope they put bionics in Brady's knee, or fused his ligaments with flubber so that they never snap apart like a rubber band again.
Shoot, I wish they fused his whole skeletal frame with adamantium.

I am not wishing anything bad on Brady, godspeed on his recovery.

But if a douche-bag like Matt Cassel can take us to a Super Bowl victory, anyone can,
so trade 'em both and get as many number ones as possible.


(and for all the matt cassel fans, if he throws 400yds tomorrow I will apologize, I have never really thought much of #16, I liked Gutierrez better)

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TheRazor said:

Who the fahk is we? Patriot Nation? Then I am part of that "we", meathead

And being a fan of the Patriots, I can be opinionated, and choose my own path of thought. I do not have to fall in line with what you say, gimme a break.
Brady blew his knee out and suffered a rare infection to a wound that needed to have an even rarer repeat surgery to be drained, and treated with intravenous antibiotics. Thats not like any other knee surgery I have EVER heard about.

I have had knee surgery, by Dr. Tom Gill (the Patriots team doctor) and my knee has never been the same since, and neither has anyone I have met who has had knee surgery, sure they function, but the knee neveris quite the same again. Argue all you want killa, Im callin the forrest for the trees.

For what its worth I hope they put bionics in Brady's knee, or fused his ligaments with flubber so that they never snap apart like a rubber band again.
Shoot, I wish they fused his whole skeletal frame with adamantium.

I am not wishing anything bad on Brady, godspeed on his recovery.

But if a douche-bag like Matt Cassel can take us to a Super Bowl victory, anyone can,
so trade 'em both and get as many number ones as possible.


(and for all the matt cassel fans, if he throws 400yds tomorrow I will apologize, I have never really thought much of #16, I liked Gutierrez better)

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AzPatsFan said:

I like the reality expressed by you, yourself who has actually gone through a Knee surgery. All these other optimistic, wishful, and hoping fans, just don't understand.

For a QB to be FULLY recovered he needs the abilty to shuffle, and to dance, and to accelerate to start a run or avoid a tackle; he needs the ability to side step. These are all the things that are the LAST things to come back after knee surgery.

Sure you can walk in a straight line sooner, but that has little to do with being an EFFECTIVE QB, nevermind the GOAT that fans want...

I know you were being sarcastic with your last comment, so I won't criticize.:banned:

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Dr. Williams said. Most infections in knee surgeries involve S. epidermidis, a relatively benign organism in normal skin flora.

He said the repeated washouts along with IV and oral antibiotics are the standard of care when infections do occur

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DaBruinz said:

Ian - I love this site dearly, but stupid threads like this should be relegated to the Practice Squad.

Also, the post from Lifer seem to have a similar ring to the ones done by PatsLifer. Coincidence? *shrug* Either way, the post have been friggin ridiculous.

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PatsFanInVa said:

It's amazing how the opinions here ignore the obvious fact of uncertainty, at all times, for every player in the league.

Everybody argues that it's FACT that Brady won't be 100% next year, or it's FACT that he'll be 100% just fine and dandy opening day 2009. Everybody on the other side argues that it's FACT that Cassel is just as good, and it's FACT that Brady won't be the Brady we're used to ever again.

The only fact is risk. All courses are frought with risk (as they always are.) It was FACT that Moss would be a locker room cancer, and it was FACT that he would put up record-breaking numbers... in that particular case, one turned out to be true. More often the truth is in the middle.

That is to say, we have downside risks in each course of action. the Pats' FO responsibility is to optimize their returns and minimize their downside risk. They got it right in 2001, when they had no intention of benching a guy making what Drew made. "Getting it right" this time may involve a variety of moves, but to me it seems like franchising is the move.

Nice problem to have. It'll be an even nicer problem to have if Cassel continues to grow. I think this likely; he's playing for tens of millions of dollars at this point. If that ain't motivation, I don't know what is.

PFnV

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Underoath said:

First of all, I just want to say that this is the dumbest thread ever. Some of you want to trade possibly the greatest QB ever, who is still probably in his prime, for two #1 draft picks.

Second of all, how the hell are we going to pay Matt Cassel, two #1 draft picks, and possibly two round 2 draft picks?

Third, Cassel has played well, but I assume teams are going to start treating him like a real QB and not putting 8 guys in the box. Randy Moss and Wes Welker are making Cassel look better than he is.

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Ungeheuer said:

It may be dumb to talk about trading Brady, but I don't think it's dumb to consider keeping Cassel until Brady proves he's healthy.

I just don't see an organization as cautious as this one letting either of these quarterbacks go until they see what happens with Brady's knee.

If Brady comes back healthy, there's no way you trade him. If he's not the same guy after his rehab, then you have a decision to make and in that case they'd have to consider keeping Cassel -- especially if he keeps playing like he has. But that's a big if, and Brady not recovering is also a big if.

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swheeler23 said:

If the Patriots win today the trade Brady crowd will grow louder.

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