LoMo poll

[DaBruinz]

I love this BOGUS logic of how it would be taking the ball out of Brady's hands to give it to a GOOD RB.

Its not bogus logic. There are only so many plays to go around.

Was Peyton Manning whining about how having to hand off the ball to Edgerrin James was "taking the ball out of his hands" en route to his 49 TD passes?

Why do you compare a 1 back situation to a multi-back situation?

NO. You know why? Because he's actually a smart QB. Manning happened to understand that it made his job EASIER to have a stud RB to hand the ball off to, because defenses couldn't load up against the pass all day long!

Yes, I know why. YOU DON'T. Because Manning had 3 1000 yard receivers that year and James was a 6th year back.

Something by the way defenses like the Eagles and Ravens have tried to do recently with some success. And guess what, it is starting to work! Brady had only 1 TD pass against the Eagles and only 2 against the Ravens.

Did the Patriots WIN or NOT? If you are going to complain, then it should be about the game plan. But, that would require you to have something more than a rudimentary knowledge of the game and what the stats actually mean.

Hardly shoddy work by Brady, but the Patriots point production HAS gone down lately in TWO games that featured that pass heavy game plan that you seem to adore so much! What a shocker?? Pats scored vs Eagles 31, vs Ravens 27. Their average before those two games, 41 points ppg. Thats a DROP of about 10 PPG. Think we'd have this much of a problem scoring in those games if we had a real STUD RB to hand off to instead of Maroney??

It couldn't have been that the teams they faced played great games and that a "STUD" RB wouldn't have made a difference because the Eagles defense was a top 10 and the Ravens defense was the BEST.

I'm sure some of you will disagree. You are welcome to keep the blinders on, but I prefer to look at things realistically.

Except you don't have a clue what being realistic means. Neither do Danny or NSA. You aren't being realistic comparing a 28 year old RB with 6 years experience in the league to a 22 year old with a bit over 18 months.

 

[Ring 6]

NO read the whole thread.





My point was stats can say Manning is better then Brady. I think Brady is better then Manning.

I said that because all these stats about LoMo people expect me to bow down to dont mean shat.

LoMo to this point is AVGERAGE at best.

A player drafted 21st in 2006 who by the 3/4 pole of 2007 is an average starter at his position is a good pick.

I am perfectly fine calling Maroney an average starting NFL RB at this point in his career, and my expectations of whoever we chose in that spot wouldn't be any higher than being an average starter at their position by now.

just from the top of my head, I can name close to half of the teams in the NFL that I would rather have Maroney than their starter. I'll incude undecided in () as well...

Jets
(Bills)
Bengals
Browns
Texans
(Colts)
(Jags)
Raiders
Broncos
Giants
(Cowboys)
Packers
Lions
Bears
Falcons
Bucs
Panthers


This does not take into account aging players, or injury prone players, or teams whose starteris out, who I would take Maroney over THIS year, which would also include
Seattle
Arizona
New Orleans
Chiefs
Dolphins

We could split hairs about the list, there are probably teams I left off that I could make an argument to include.

In the end, if we call Maroney the AVERAGE starting RB in the NFL at this point in his career, so far the draft choice is a rousing success.

 

[Ring 6]

Lawrence Phillips
Blair Thomas
Ki-Jana Carter
Curtis Enis
Rashaan Salaam

All rated very well in their respective draft years. And they are stars, on "Where Are They Now".

What is your point? We can also name Hall of Famers who had done much less than Maroney at this point in their careers.
The fact that there are guys on both sides of the argument is exactly what I am saying. You cannot judge this yet.

 

[DaBruinz]

Well said. A STUD running back in the backfield makes defenses respect the run more, thus making the lives of Brady, Moss, and company easier. The fact that the boys have put up the numbers they have so far with LoMo as the #1 back is impressive. Those who think a STUD running back would make our offense less explosive are 100% wrong. It would make our offense BETTER and make Brady and Moss even more dangerous!

A stud RB that goes against the BEST RUN DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE isn't likely to have much more success running the ball than anyone else.

And you being an idiot and making assinine claims about what people are saying shows your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired.

No one said that an ELITE STUD like LT wouldn't make this offense better. But those are few and far between. People saying that Addai would make this team better are talking out their arse because they don't have a clue since Addai has 2 more years college experience than Maroney.

And people saying that EXPERIENCE doesn't make a difference are the most clueless ones of all.

 

[Ring 6]

But that was never a factor so who cares. Addai has nothing to do with this pole. I never said anything about a specific player.


Btw more people are voting they would not draft maroney then would now.



Just accept the fact a lot of people think the same way NSA and I do.

Of course he has everything to do with this poll.

If I ask you if you would draft a player all over again, and the guy at his position drafted next was far superior, then the answer would be a resounding, I would not draft him again.
Who the F%%% do you think voters had in mind when they decided whether they would draft Maroney or 'all other'?
You know this, and your pretneding not to makes you look foolish.

 

[Ring 6]

By the way:

Marshall Faulks career ypc=4.3
Laurence Maroneys career ypc=4.3

 

[DaBruinz]

50 / 50 so far on drafting Maroney. So much for NSA and I being the only ones who think Maroney is a average at best.




75 percent of voters polled are either against, or unsure about maroney coming in to week thirteen of year 2.

Im sorry but Maroney was a highly coveted first round draft choice. When is this kid going to "break out"? Avg shelf life for an NFL back is 4 years. 50 percent there?

Friggin LOSER.. Changing your stance. You claimed that Maroney was a HIGH DRAFT PICK earlier.

And you use some BOGUS BS "avg running back" crap as justification..

You are so pathetic you aren't even laughable.

 

[danny88]

Friggin LOSER.. Changing your stance. You claimed that Maroney was a HIGH DRAFT PICK earlier.

And you use some BOGUS BS "avg running back" crap as justification..

You are so pathetic you aren't even laughable.

More people voting not to draft Maroney.

I thought we where the only ones?

 

[Ring 6]

Well said. A STUD running back in the backfield makes defenses respect the run more, thus making the lives of Brady, Moss, and company easier. The fact that the boys have put up the numbers they have so far with LoMo as the #1 back is impressive. Those who think a STUD running back would make our offense less explosive are 100% wrong. It would make our offense BETTER and make Brady and Moss even more dangerous!

This is a terrible argument for your case.

You are trying to prove Maroney is not a good RB.
You say that a STUD RB makes the lives of the passing game better.
We have the best passing game in NFL history.
If a STUD RB makes a passing game better, and we have the best passing game ever, you have logically proven that Maroney is a stud RB.

 

[DaBruinz]

Haha hey dabruinz do you insult your kids the same way when they do not agree with you?

My kids are more intelligent than you are. They don't get into argument without looking at the entire situation and they are smart enough to go and get the facts to support their case. Something you've proven incapable of doing.

OH, yeah, and they are kids who are still learning. YOU claim to be an ADULT. So I figure you should know better and not be a MORON. That's the ONLY area you've proven me wrong.

 

[danny88]

My kids are more intelligent than you are. They don't get into argument without looking at the entire situation and they are smart enough to go and get the facts to support their case. Something you've proven incapable of doing.

OH, yeah, and they are kids who are still learning. YOU claim to be an ADULT. So I figure you should know better and not be a MORON. That's the ONLY area you've proven me wrong.

Looks like there are more "kids" voting that they would like to return LoMo then keep him.

 

[Ring 6]

More people voting not to draft Maroney.

I thought we where the only ones?

Once again, taking ANY player, 1 3/4 seasons later, and asking if you could in hindsight draft your guy or ANYONE ELSE THAT WAS ON THE BOARD, resulting in 50% undecided, and roughly 50/50 yes or no among the rest is a RESOUNDING show of SUPPORT for the player.

 

[DaBruinz]

We all know a qb's skills are based soley on sb wins. Just ask Trent Dilfer who is better then Marino since Dilfer has a sb!!!

Hey look Da bruinz is yelling at everyone and melting down again calling everyone Morons!

Da Bruinz I can prove through stats that Manning is a better qb then Brady. Do you agree?

Nope. I don't agree. For numerous reasons. And I already proved you couldn't.

But, go ahead and be stupid. Its your modus operandi.

BTW, I'm not calling everyone morons. There goes your lack of reading comprehension again. I really wish you'd work on that. I am getting really sick of you lying all the time.

 

[danny88]

Once again, taking ANY player, 1 3/4 seasons later, and asking if you could in hindsight draft your guy or ANYONE ELSE THAT WAS ON THE BOARD, resulting in 50% undecided, and roughly 50/50 yes or no among the rest is a RESOUNDING show of SUPPORT for the player.

Its starting to become a large gap. Look how many want to return LoMo.

 

[Ring 6]

Its starting to become a large gap. Look how many want to return LoMo.

25.53% is hardly a referendum.
The way you phrased the question, you would need 75% to prove to your point.

 

[ATippett56]

Talk about beating a dead horse. I guess some of you soured on Asante Samuel after his third season in the NFL.

 

[danny88]

25.53% is hardly a referendum.
The way you phrased the question, you would need 75% to prove to your point.

I COULD phrase it like you did to make my point. Not going to though. The fact more poeple wish we had not drafted Maroney then drafted speaks volumes on week 13 of year two.

That number should be zero.

 

[DaBruinz]

I never said anything about Addai. You did. Funny you are now making things up to try to prove a point.

the fact remains just as many posters on this board would trade in LoMo if they had the chance. Which goes against the logic that NSA and I are the only ones who think this way.

Considering that there are over 1000 registered posters on this board, you can't say many since 23 doesn't even represent 10%. You're poll isn't even close to being scientific.

Again, you can't accept that you LOADED the poll answers. See, I don't agree that Maroney is a GREAT back. He's not. YET. He has that potential and has shown flashes.

The fact remains that if the Pats hadn't drafted Maroney, the Pats wouldn't have a RB capable of helping this team and we probably aren't 12-0.

See, you can speculate all day long, but you do so in a vacuum without consideration as to what the consequences of the changes are.

 

[Ring 6]

Not to mention, you tainted the answers with your phrasing.
It isnt "I would pick Maroney again" or "I wouldn't pick Maroney again"

Its "I would pick Maroney HE IS A GREAT BACK"
In order to want to pick Maroney again, you do not have to consider him a great back.

Your poll is enormously unscientific. If you need to answer yes to 2 propositions to say you would draft him again, then you are cutting the potnetial yesses in half, so your wording throws off the results. The best conclusion is that it is 40 to 24 in favor of drafting him, due to your poor wording.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

Its starting to become a large gap. Look how many want to return LoMo.

Have you ever thought about moving on to a new topic?

Now you are having polls about Maroney to prove some petty point because your pride clouds your ability to move on to a new issue.

Week after week you are beating the dead horse.

At some point you need to find a new obsession. Really.

Just because this poll comes to some conclusion or another does not excuse you from being a lame turd out of a one trick pony's ass.

How about you try to talk about someone else for a week or two. Would it kill you?