LoMo poll

[DaBruinz]

Robert Smith had a 4.8 YPC in 98 and 1200 yards rushing. Faulk had a 5.3 YPC and almost 1400 yards rushing in 2001 . That is what TRUE STUDS do when they run behind the best passing offense in the league.

The same Robert Smith who had only 31 carries for 106 yards as a 2nd year player?

The same Marshall Faulk who carried the Colts because he HAD to?

The times you are mentioning, Smith was a 6th year vet and Faulk an 8th year vet. EXPERIENCE DOES MATTER.

 

[danny88]

That's strange.... I'm using your "CNN style" of interpreting polls for myself, and I come up with a different take. According to my reading of the poll, 75% of posters either think Maroney's a great back, or aren't sure whether he's great or not yet. That's amazing for a 22 year old who's missed time due to injury and is limited by the "pass first, past next, pass last" style of offense on the team he plays for.

excuses, excuses. Just as many people would give back maroney as would have drafted him. Sucks that me and nsa are not the only ones who feel this way huh?

I thought we where the only ones

 

[Ring 6]

50 / 50 so far on drafting Maroney. So much for NSA and I being the only ones who think Maroney is a average at best.




75 percent of voters polled are either against, or unsure about maroney coming in to week thirteen of year 2.

Im sorry but Maroney was a highly coveted first round draft choice. When is this kid going to "break out"? Avg shelf life for an NFL back is 4 years. 50 percent there?

Oh, by the way, your poll proves that at least 75% of the voters disagree with your opinion that Joesph Addai is way better than Maroney. Only 25% would pick ANYONE else. 3/4 say you love of Addai is not accurate.

 

[danny88]

Oh, by the way, your poll proves that at least 75% of the voters disagree with your opinion that Joesph Addai is way better than Maroney. Only 25% would pick ANYONE else. 3/4 say you love of Addai is not accurate.

We all know Maroney is better then Addai!!!??



BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[DaBruinz]

I said the same thing to dabruinz. We could use stats to say Manning is better then Brady. Wonder how that would go over. I dont need stats to tell me Brady is better then Manning.

The stats are being cherry picked.

*ROFLMAO* The stats are being cherry picked by you and your imbecilic brother, NSA.

The difference between Brady and Manning is that Brady has 3 rings and Manning 1. Brady has more play-off wins than Manning. Those are stats that aren't cherry-picked.

Unlike you two imbeciles, I look at the WHOLE picture. You two clearly DON'T.

 

[Ring 6]

excuses, excuses. Just as many people would give back maroney as would have drafted him. Sucks that me and nsa are not the only ones who feel this way huh?

I thought we where the only ones

At THE MOST it is 50/50 that they would trade Addai for Maroney. So, if we had drafted Addai, just as many owuld say throw him back as keep him.

Its an ignorant question that is not properly defined.
You could name 90% of the players drafted in round 1 in the last 10 years, and 25% of that teams fans would have someone else they would draft instead, in retrospect.

 

[danny88]

*ROFLMAO* The stats are being cherry picked by you and your imbecilic brother, NSA.

The difference between Brady and Manning is that Brady has 3 rings and Manning 1. Brady has more play-off wins than Manning. Those are stats that aren't cherry-picked.

Unlike you two imbeciles, I look at the WHOLE picture. You two clearly DON'T.

We all know a qb's skills are based soley on sb wins. Just ask Trent Dilfer who is better then Marino since Dilfer has a sb!!!

Hey look Da bruinz is yelling at everyone and melting down again calling everyone Morons!

Da Bruinz I can prove through stats that Manning is a better qb then Brady. Do you agree?

 

[Ring 6]

We all know Maroney is better then Addai!!!??



BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA

No. Your poll says, assuming everyone who voted to draft someone else meant Addai, they are equal.
That is what the results of your poll say. You seem to be trying to find proof of soemthing in it. There you go.

 

[Ring 6]

We all know a qb's skills are based soley on sb wins. Just ask Trent Dilfer who is better then Marino since Dilfer has a sb!!!

Hey look Da bruinz is yelling at everyone and melting down again calling everyone Morons!

Da Bruinz I can prove through stats that Manning is a better qb then Brady. Do you agree?

Make sure I understand this. Danny88, you are saying in your opinion Manning is a better QB than Brady?

 

[danny88]

No. Your poll says, assuming everyone who voted to draft someone else meant Addai, they are equal.
That is what the results of your poll say. You seem to be trying to find proof of soemthing in it. There you go.

I never said anything about Addai. You did. Funny you are now making things up to try to prove a point.

the fact remains just as many posters on this board would trade in LoMo if they had the chance. Which goes against the logic that NSA and I are the only ones who think this way.

 

[danny88]

Make sure I understand this. Danny88, you are saying in your opinion Manning is a better QB than Brady?

NO read the whole thread.





My point was stats can say Manning is better then Brady. I think Brady is better then Manning.

I said that because all these stats about LoMo people expect me to bow down to dont mean shat.

LoMo to this point is AVGERAGE at best.

 

[DaBruinz]

And yet this old, decrepit RB outproduced Maroney's numbers handily in 2001. What's the excuse now? Is our elite passing offense holding back Maroney? We already know that's a lie, when we examine history and see how Faulk, James, Addai, and R. Smith thrived in pass happy offenses.

Antwoin Smith didn't have 2 other RBs that he was sharing carries with the way Maroney was to start the season. He only had Faulk. The 2001 Pats also were also a much more balanced team (483 passes to 473 runs) than this years team (projected 584 passes to 475 runs).

Now, when you say that they "thrived" in pass happy offenses, you need to make sure you look at the WHOLE picture.

1) Faulk and Robert Smith were multi-year vets. And FAULK is a Hall-of-Famer.

2) Edgerrin James produced WITHOUT the great passing game. He also was getting quite a few carries and was the primary back. He wasn't in a multi-back system.

3) Addai had been getting more touches this year, primarily, because the Colts are a 1 RB team. Kenton Keith gets very few carries when Addai is healthy.

 

[danny88]

Hey da bruinz. Why are more people in favor of NOT drafting Maroney then drafting him now?


I thought NSA and I where the ONLY ones!?

 

[DaBruinz]

If we could go back in time, anyone taking LoMo over Addai would be foolish.

Why? Because Addai is 2 years OLDER than Maroney and has 2 more years of college experience than Maroney and was in a pass happy offense at LSU?

 

[Ring 6]

I never said anything about Addai. You did. Funny you are now making things up to try to prove a point.

the fact remains just as many posters on this board would trade in LoMo if they had the chance. Which goes against the logic that NSA and I are the only ones who think this way.

Your poll asks if you would draft someone else.
An equal amount of people are saying yes as are saying they would redraft Maroney.
If EVERYONE who said yes they would draft someone else, had Addai in mind, then 50% of the responders to your poll say undecided, 25% say keep Maroney, 25% (best case) say they would rather have Addai.

This is what your poll is showing. Out of everyone voting an equal number would not have drafted Maroney as would have drafted him in retrospect. If addai is so far clearly better, then why wouldn't a lot more people choose 'someone else' which includes Addai?

 

[Chevy]

We are talking about less than 2 full seasons in the NFL.
Maroney was rated better at draft time by CONSENSUS than either of those guys.
What have they done that Maroney hasn't? Maroney has averaged 4.3 yards per carry in his career. Do you honestly think that if Joseph Addai or Maurice Jones-Drew were here in his place, they would have more than 118 carries this season? No. They would not. (If they did, it would only be due to the short term injury Maroney had)

Lawrence Phillips
Blair Thomas
Ki-Jana Carter
Curtis Enis
Rashaan Salaam

All rated very well in their respective draft years. And they are stars, on "Where Are They Now".

 

[danny88]

Your poll asks if you would draft someone else.
An equal amount of people are saying yes as are saying they would redraft Maroney.
If EVERYONE who said yes they would draft someone else, had Addai in mind, then 50% of the responders to your poll say undecided, 25% say keep Maroney, 25% (best case) say they would rather have Addai.

This is what your poll is showing. Out of everyone voting an equal number would not have drafted Maroney as would have drafted him in retrospect. If addai is so far clearly better, then why wouldn't a lot more people choose 'someone else' which includes Addai?

But that was never a factor so who cares. Addai has nothing to do with this pole. I never said anything about a specific player.


Btw more people are voting they would not draft maroney then would now.



Just accept the fact a lot of people think the same way NSA and I do.

 

[DaBruinz]

Peyton Manning threw for over 4500 yards in 2004 and Edgerrin James ran for over 1500 yards. Is anyone going to tell me that Brady could not be putting up the same stats and still have a STUD running back eating up yards on the ground? Or are we suppossed to believe Edgerrin James circa 2004 would have been on the sideline like LoMo was in Buffalo while Brady and the boys winged it on the field? Don't you think oppossing defenses would be more concerned about our offense if Edgerrin James was on the field and Gaffney(the 4WR in 4 WR sets) was on the sideline? Seriously, the excuses for why Maroney doesn't touch the ball more are flat out silly. SILLY.

Again, you change your argument.

Edgerrin James was a 6th year RB in what was primarily a 1 back system.

Also, the Colts only passed 526 times and ran 427 times. The Colts had 4732 receiving yards and 1856 rushing yards. Both less than what the Pats are projected to have. That is 106 touches less than the Pats are projected to have.

In 2004, James had Harrison, Stokely, and Wayne (3-1000 yard receivers). The Pats should end up with 2 - 1000 yard receivers in Moss and Welker. I have no idea if Stallworth will get there.

 

[danny88]

Again, you change your argument.

Edgerrin James was a 6th year RB in what was primarily a 1 back system.

Also, the Colts only passed 526 times and ran 427 times. The Colts had 4732 receiving yards and 1856 rushing yards. Both less than what the Pats are projected to have. That is 106 touches less than the Pats are projected to have.

In 2004, James had Harrison, Stokely, and Wayne (3-1000 yard receivers). The Pats should end up with 2 - 1000 yard receivers in Moss and Welker. I have no idea if Stallworth will get there.

Hey da bruinz I thought NSA and I where the only "imbaciles" who thought Maroney was a avg nfl back not worth his high draft choice.

Why are there more people voting not to draft Maroney then voting to draft him?

Since you are so into stats let the people know.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't know if it's still the case after last night but, going into last night's game, the Patriots were last in number of offensive possessions and yet were still first in points scored. Now, that seems to me as if the current system has been working pretty darned good and that this coaching staff just might know a little bit more than NSA and Danny. Then again, the facts still don't seem to matter to the trolls and their sheep.