LoMo poll

[DaBruinz]

A few posters claimed the lack of holes created when the line is run blocking are to blame for Maroneys lack of effectivness.

I just included it as an option to be fair.

Hmm.. 8 of Maroney's 13 runs went for 4 yards or more. 5 were for 1-3 yards. That is about right for a line that doesn't open holes ON OCCASION. And its pretty damn good against the best RUN DEFENSE in the league.

 

[VJCPatriot]

If hindsight were 20/20 I would draft LT Marcus Mcneil at 21 instead of Maroney. The Pats offensive line would be greatly improved and we could finally swing Light over to RT. OLB Demeco Ryans would also be considered, but I think a premium LT would get the nod in the end.

 

[DaBruinz]

A few posters claimed the lack of holes created when the line is run blocking are to blame for Maroneys lack of effectivness.

I just included it as an option to be fair.

Actually, what was stated is that on certain running plays, the O-line wasn't opening the same sorts of holes for Maroney that they were for Faulk. Again, you blatantly LIE to exaggerate your point.

 

[spacecrime]

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[DaBruinz]

If hindsight were 20/20 I would draft LT Marcus Mcneil at 21 instead of Maroney. The Pats offensive line would be greatly improved and we could finally swing Light over to RT. OLB Demeco Ryans would also be considered, but I think a premium LT would get the nod in the end.

Help me understand why you think a 6-1, 236 lbs OLB would work in the Pats defense.

As for McNeil, he wasn't rated that high because of his weight issues. Also, there were issues regarding McNeil's attitude and work ethic. He didn't have a good Senior Bowl. McNeil is having a lackluster year this season after a great rookie campaign.

I can admit that I didn't want the Pats to draft Maroney in the 1st, but I knew they needed to draft a RB that year. They made the decision and they certainly know more than I do about players and player evaluation.

 

[danny88]

Actually, what was stated is that on certain running plays, the O-line wasn't opening the same sorts of holes for Maroney that they were for Faulk. Again, you blatantly LIE to exaggerate your point.

Bro you are obsessive. I dont really care anymore. Stop coming into this thread and trying to start an argument.

 

[JackBauer]

Thats nice, dont repsond to my posts.

Or you could not be a turd and just stop wasting everyone's time.

 

[Ring 6]

I mean I'm not saying Maroney doesn't still have upside but if you go purely by production I would really have to pick between Addai and Jones-Drew if I went back. But I voted undecided.

We are talking about less than 2 full seasons in the NFL.
Maroney was rated better at draft time by CONSENSUS than either of those guys.
What have they done that Maroney hasn't? Maroney has averaged 4.3 yards per carry in his career. Do you honestly think that if Joseph Addai or Maurice Jones-Drew were here in his place, they would have more than 118 carries this season? No. They would not. (If they did, it would only be due to the short term injury Maroney had)

Here is how silly this is.


First 2 years
Shawn Alexander 421 rushes 1453 yards 3.5 per carry
Anthony Thomas 492/1904 3.9
Marcell Shipp 416/1664 4.0

I bet all those Seahawk fans would have been happier with Thomas or Shipp, right?

If anyone can show me ANYTHING that Maroney has failed to do other than have fewer rushes because A) he was drafted on a team that had an established vet his rookie year THAT HE SUPPLANTED and B) he is playing running back on the best passing team ever in his 2nd year, as well as their own stupid guesses about his toughness, injury proneness, etc that has no basis in any fact, I will listen.

 

[danny88]

Or you could not be a turd and just stop wasting everyone's time.

Yawn , looks like a lot of people are voting. Why dont you read the post at the start in which I said to keep this thread clean from the crap.

If you think its a waste of time dont post. I can sure tell this is a waste of time with the attention you are paying to the thread.

 

[JackBauer]

We are talking about less than 2 full seasons in the NFL.
Maroney was rated better at draft time by CONSENSUS than either of those guys.
What have they done that Maroney hasn't? Maroney has averaged 4.3 yards per carry in his career. Do you honestly think that if Joseph Addai or Maurice Jones-Drew were here in his place, they would have more than 118 carries this season? No. They would not. (If they did, it would only be due to the short term injury Maroney had)

Here is how silly this is.


First 2 years
Shawn Alexander 421 rushes 1453 yards 3.5 per carry
Anthony Thomas 492/1904 3.9
Marcell Shipp 416/1664 4.0

I bet all those Seahawk fans would have been happier with Thomas or Shipp, right?

If anyone can show me ANYTHING that Maroney has failed to do other than have fewer rushes because A) he was drafted on a team that had an established vet his rookie year THAT HE SUPPLANTED and B) he is playing running back on the best passing team ever in his 2nd year, as well as their own stupid guesses about his toughness, injury proneness, etc that has no basis in any fact, I will listen.

I will eagerly await danny88's response to this post.

 

[Ring 6]

A few posters claimed the lack of holes created when the line is run blocking are to blame for Maroneys lack of effectivness.

I just included it as an option to be fair.

What lack of effectiveness?
For the season he is rushin gfor 4.3 yards per carry.
Last night he rushed for about a half yard more than all NFL RBs have gained against the Raven defense.

There is nothing to be blamed for having the best offense in NFL history.

 

[danny88]

What lack of effectiveness?
For the season he is rushin gfor 4.3 yards per carry.
Last night he rushed for about a half yard more than all NFL RBs have gained against the Raven defense.

There is nothing to be blamed for having the best offense in NFL history.

Faulk and Sammy had and have about the same ypc. Sammy is a back up , Faulk is a third down back.

We could have gotten Maroneys production with a far lower draft choice. Maroneys ypc is not that impressive considering the O he plays in , with the passing attack we have.

 

[JackBauer]

Yawn , looks like a lot of people are voting. Why dont you read the post at the start in which I said to keep this thread clean from the crap.

I voted, too. And I love that the majority here is repudiating your ill-formed and childish opinion on the matter.

If you think its a waste of time dont post. I can sure tell this is a waste of time with the attention you are paying to the thread.

Because lord knows you will never learn on your own accord.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

We are talking about less than 2 full seasons in the NFL.
Maroney was rated better at draft time by CONSENSUS than either of those guys.
What have they done that Maroney hasn't? Maroney has averaged 4.3 yards per carry in his career. Do you honestly think that if Joseph Addai or Maurice Jones-Drew were here in his place, they would have more than 118 carries this season? No. They would not. (If they did, it would only be due to the short term injury Maroney had)

Here is how silly this is.


First 2 years
Shawn Alexander 421 rushes 1453 yards 3.5 per carry
Anthony Thomas 492/1904 3.9
Marcell Shipp 416/1664 4.0

I bet all those Seahawk fans would have been happier with Thomas or Shipp, right?

If anyone can show me ANYTHING that Maroney has failed to do other than have fewer rushes because A) he was drafted on a team that had an established vet his rookie year THAT HE SUPPLANTED and B) he is playing running back on the best passing team ever in his 2nd year, as well as their own stupid guesses about his toughness, injury proneness, etc that has no basis in any fact, I will listen.

For every 3 guys you can point to that "turned it on" after 2 years, there are 10x that amount that NEVER did. To say that Addai would not have more carries in this offense is wrong. Do you honestly believe Addai would be sitting on the sideline when we get inside the red zone like Maroney does a lot? I say no. Forget the fact that Addai has more yards, TD's, and receptions than Maroney. Throw the stats out. What do your eyes tell you? Do you ever see Maroney make something out of nothing when the hole isn't there like Faulk did last night and like Addai does a lot? Do you ever see Maroney overpower a runner and get the extra yard? Hell, do you ever see Maroney do anything that says "this kid is special"? People that compare Maroney to Addai are kidding themsleves. Really.

 

[danny88]

I voted, too. And I love that the majority here is repudiating your ill-formed and childish opinion on the matter.



Because lord knows you will never learn on your own accord.

Oh really? 70 percent of voters are either against drafting him or undecided. Good sign in week 12 of year two. A high first round pick who was highly coveted should have more confidence from his fans in his second year. A whopping 4 votes seperates the people against drafting him, and those who would still draft him.

Avg shelf life for a rb is 4 years. Half way there!

 

[VJCPatriot]

Help me understand why you think a 6-1, 236 lbs OLB would work in the Pats defense.

As for McNeil, he wasn't rated that high because of his weight issues. Also, there were issues regarding McNeil's attitude and work ethic. He didn't have a good Senior Bowl. McNeil is having a lackluster year this season after a great rookie campaign.

I can admit that I didn't want the Pats to draft Maroney in the 1st, but I knew they needed to draft a RB that year. They made the decision and they certainly know more than I do about players and player evaluation.

That went into my calculations when I said ultimately I would pick the LT McNeil. Demeco Ryans is a tackling machine, however it is true that he is a bit undersized for our defense. He is similar to Vilma in that respect. The entire Chargers team is having an off year, But LT is still putting up very good numbers. The Chargers OL must be doing something right.

Please remember that last part in bold, and don't break your TV come 2008 draft night. McFadden might just be the pick.

 

[JackBauer]

Oh really? 70 percent of voters are either against drafting him or undecided. Good sign in week 12 of year two. A high first round pick who was highly coveted should have more confidence from his fans in his second year.

Avg shelf life for a rb is 4 years. Half way there!

No.

Because most people are intelligent enough to realize that any judgment at this time is premature.

End of story.

 

[danny88]

No.

Because most people are intelligent enough to realize that any judgment at this time is premature.

End of story.

Yeah that and the fact 4 votes seperate those who would draft him and those who would take someone else if they could. Should be more difinitive then that. Considering this kid was a first round choice.

A lot of people are undecided 2 years in. The vast majority actually. If the shelf life of a avg back is 4 years , and the second year is 80 percent done , it should be more concrete then 70 percent undecided or against.

 

[DaBruinz]

False. I can show you three threads I had on the main board yesterday that had nothing to do with Maroney , not anything negative.

Please so a search , you are wrong. If you dont like this thread stay out of it. The people who do not need to resort to insults are doing just fine.

So, now, not only do you use the wrong words and claim they are typos, you don't understand what was said to you.

When JB said all you ever do is bash Maroney, that means, on the subject of Maroney, you don't say a damn thing positive.

Who cares that you participated in other threads? The fact remains that when it comes to Maroney, you are the most negative person around next to NSA and you can't be bothered to look at anything beyond your myopic view of the situation. People like myself who have optimistic views of Maroney say he's YOUNG, needs to learn PATIENCE, needs to work on his pass receiving skills because they weren't developed in college and needs to work on his pass blocking skills because he wasn't used there much in college.

The patience will help him stay off the line and bounce outside when there is HUGE holes there if the inside is stopped up. It will also help him stay off the backs of his o-linemen when there is no hole there.

Maroney has very good hands, despite his drops last week. Many people seem to forget that Faulk used to drop a LOT and fumble a LOT. It took TIME for Faulk to develop into the back he is.

Maroney had some good blocks last night. Enough to keep the defensive players from getting to Brady. They weren't pretty, but got the job done. Still a work in progress.

 

[danny88]

So, now, not only do you use the wrong words and claim they are typos, you don't understand what was said to you.

When JB said all you ever do is bash Maroney, that means, on the subject of Maroney, you don't say a damn thing positive.

Who cares that you participated in other threads? The fact remains that when it comes to Maroney, you are the most negative person around next to NSA and you can't be bothered to look at anything beyond your myopic view of the situation. People like myself who have optimistic views of Maroney say he's YOUNG, needs to learn PATIENCE, needs to work on his pass receiving skills because they weren't developed in college and needs to work on his pass blocking skills because he wasn't used there much in college.

The patience will help him stay off the line and bounce outside when there is HUGE holes there if the inside is stopped up. It will also help him stay off the backs of his o-linemen when there is no hole there.

Maroney has very good hands, despite his drops last week. Many people seem to forget that Faulk used to drop a LOT and fumble a LOT. It took TIME for Faulk to develop into the back he is.

Maroney had some good blocks last night. Enough to keep the defensive players from getting to Brady. They weren't pretty, but got the job done. Still a work in progress.

I have said over and over Maroney is talented. You guys ignore anything positive I say.

Maroney to me is a avg NFL running back , who is not worth his high first round draft choice. He is also injury proned.