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Zogby Poll on Americans' Attitudes Towards Immigration

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  1. PatsWickedPissah

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    Interesting poll because it segments by gender, ethnicity, religion and location.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/2006poll.html

    Bottom line is that most Americans, aside from 'progressives' the new name for socialists, are not happy with the current immigration policies and mostly favor the House bill which starts with enforcement as opposed to the Senate (Kennedy & McCain) approach of amnesty, even by another name.

    What I find interesting is that the pols in Washington are by and large NOT representing their constituencies views on this issue. What other factor is motivating them? Especially Rs. Is the cheap labor business lobby THAT strong?
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    Funnily enough, the poll doesn't have a section for Native Americans and their views. Send those Brit b**tards to where they belong, I say. On second thoughts, perhaps not. Miss Gomezcat seconds that!
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    I'm thinking it would be harder for Zogby to find Native Americans to poll.
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    I'm not a fan of immigration by any means, but at one point in time, didn't most americans favor slavery?
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    Most of the world favored it, they all did it at one time or another. Their own people are the ones that captured and sold them to the slave traders.

    Aren't there parts of Africa today that slavery is still practiced, especially with young girls, don't some Asian people still sell young children for sex purposes.

    It wasn't just "Bad Old America"

    We stopped doing slavery just as they stopped feeding people to the Lions.
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    Me, I'm a strong fan of immigration. Legal immigrants go thru a lot to become citizens. I've known and/or worked with many value add immigrants from Brazil, Russia, Chiner, Indier, Pakistan, Syria and elsewhere. It's unchecked ILLEGAL immigrants that present a problem.
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    If Liberals were truely Progressive they wouldn't support dinosaur programs like Social Security. Talk about being stuck decades and decades ago.
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    Good observation. Patters et.al. are stuck forever in a 1930s union and FDR big govt program mentality. Calling such 'thinking' progressive is an oxymoron.
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    Understanding patters....

    To understand patters you should frequent the web sites and blogs that seem to form the universe of his/her knowledge. (For the moment, let's just assume he's a he). I discovered today that one site patters likes (and quotes) is The Century Foundation. Very far left with no room for an opposing view (unless it's put there to be ridiculed). To be fair, there are just as many far right sites with the same type of obvious agenda, and since he is a socialist it's ok, he can live there. However, like most liberals, he doesn't do much independent (thinking) research on his own. Many liberals and conservatives alike repeat what they read, and if it sounds good to them, they assume it to be the unbiased truth. Since patters pretends to know me, let me extrapolate a little about him from his posts. My guess is, if you get into a conversation/debate and patters thinks your views are ridiculous, he may say something like "...that's ridiculous...how come absolutely no one I know feels anything like that??". Of course, there-in lies the problem. People on the far right or left tend to surround themselves with others who feel exactly the same way they do. (Misery loves company?) This is not a good thing. At one point, I was debating an issue about T-bills with him, which was not political, but dealt with simple mathematics. And, when his argument culminated with the identification of his source, a liberal sociology professor, it became pointless. He's a guy who likes to read a lot of what others have to say, scratch the surface of many issues, and leave the thinking and reasoning to others who have the time. It's the old credo and first rule of bartenders around the world: " IF IT LOOKS GOOD, IT TASTES GOOD".
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    Patters is a he. But you nailed it. He's used to the monolithic 'progressivism' of his fellow effete Canterbrigians. At least he exposes himself on this Forum but on 2nd thought, most posters and topics here are virulently anti-Bush so he feels at home here too.

    Disclosure: I confess I was born at Cambridge City Hospital, but left town immediately thereafter
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    How flattering that two posters use me as some sort of liberal benchmark in a thread where I haven't even posted until now! Rene, I found the Century Foundation while doing an ordinary search. It is not an far left site. Look at it's board of director, and you'll see it has traditional liberals and moderates.

    As far your point on t-bills, like I said, it was an irrelevant point (though I'll concede your argument is a talking point used by the right wing), since treasury notes are pretty much as good as cash (from the point of view of Social Security solvency). You were trying to show off your limited knowledge about how Social Security is funded, to what end I have no idea. Whether the Social Security trust fund is made up of boxes of dollar bills, gold bars, or treasury notes makes no difference. The issue with Social Security is how to get more money into it. If you want to talk about deficit reduction, that's another issue altogether.

    And Pissah, I suppose if you accuse me of looking backward, I could accuse you of the same -- of looking to the period where business was unregulated, Social Security did not exist, and the rule of law was used indiscriminately. As I said, unions played an important role in making most of our lives better, and if they were stronger now, they could play an important role in influencing the way we solve the Social Security and retirement crisis that looms.

    This thread is about an immigration poll, not about Social Security, not about T-bills, and certainly not about Patters. The immigration problem is another tough one. We can't realistically deport 11 million people, and we need to find a way to ensure that they are not driving labor prices down and are not being exploited.
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    Strange. I do NOT favore lassize-faire business practices. I do not favor abolishing Soc Security. And I don't even know what "using rule of law indiscriminately" means but if it does mean applying the same law to all, indiscriminately then yes I do believe in that. Nice .333 bating average on your straw man proposals there.

    Me, I'm a 21st century typa guy, looking for 21st century solutions. Not someone whining for early 20 cen style unions, LBJ War on Poverty boondoggles and FDR style big govt.
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    Me thinks the man doth protest too much...

    LOL.......I just showed this little gem of a blurb to my co-workers. There are 6 middle-aged balding men with pocket protectors rolling around in the lunch room laughing hillariously. I think their faces are actually cracking from over use of unused muscles. Anyway, the VP says that if you ever want to start a social security trust fund of your own, he'd be happy if you trusted him to manage the money in it. Patters, you're a card. Thanks for the entertainment.
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    Well, good Rene, you're resorting to personal attacks to make your case. I feel confident that this is your way of conceding. Or, I guess you work with a bunch of people who don't trust the federal government to pay its obligations. Tell them to take their money out of the market and invest in gold, because if they are right, the dollar will collapse. I think those middle-aged balding men are simply humoring you -- since in just a matter of days you've come to this board and showed yourself to be obnoxious.
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    Now, now, relax old man...

    Maybe you're not reading all the replies to your posts, old bean. I believe it was only this morning that someone else called YOU condescending and arrogant. Let's see..... I think it was wistahpatsfan....

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    Patters, did you forget to take your arrogance control medication or forgot to do your anti-condescendance exercises, today?
    Jeez!

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    Yup..that's the poster. Look, patters, don't get all in a huff. I don't know who you are, nor do I care. You seem harmless enough. I'm sure you don't hold any position of authority where your opinions might actually hurt someone. And, don't blame only me. I know it was cruel to expose you, but you started it by pretending to actually know how to balance your check book. Then, you called me young (which I don't mind) and accused me of taking economics 101 for sissies!! Also, it was really a group effort over here. I work with a whole bunch of casualty insurance actuaries and all we worry about is what side of the street people live on and what color car you drive. Day after day, run the model, how much do we raise rates... boring. This was actually fun. Although it's friday and a new week probably won't allow me to play with you anytime soon, I kind of like this forum. It beats football talk. I may return during the next lull. Certainly, I'll lurk to see how you're coming along. Now, in the future, I hope you've learned a valuable lesson. When you post, just stay vague and superficial and don't pretend to be an economist or anything else that you're not. Just continue to volunteer at the legal aid clinic and make your appearence at the food bank and don't be late for your rally to improve the lives of everyone who wants to tear this country down. Have a great life, I'll keep you in my prayers.
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    Rene, you're really not up to engaging in intelligent discussion. Perhaps you have emotional problems, I don't know. But, just as a warning, if you persist in your personal attacks, you will not be welcome in this forum. You remind of another person who was eventually pushed out of this forum, not only by liberals, but by conservatives as well. IMHO, you really don't understand what money is and how capitalism works. You have one little idea about t-bills, and you think that's the whole story. Just because no one is backing you up and I'm not taking you seriously, does not mean you're right. By all means come back here, but if you persist in personal attacks, warnings will be issued, and if you're incapable of arguing substance, you will be ignored, which I imagine is something you're used to. And you know what, I love France, so why does a rude right-winger have to use a French handle!
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    Oh Oh :bricks:
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    Patters,
    WTF is wrong with you? You really need to put your ego in check for a while. It's getting very boring reading your thin-skinned, arrogant "I'm right, you're wrong" garbage. Rene was very measured in his or her criticism of you. It could have been worse. Take a breath and read your own posts-you might agree.
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    I do think Rene got just a bit too personal for Patters' taste.

    I, however would NEVER do that. :)
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    Wistah, are you reading the crap he's posting? Suggesting that his colleagues are laughing at my comments or that I don't know what I'm talking about or that I'm too stupid to understand his points? All I can say is that you're not reading his posts very closely. I thought of closing the thread because of his personal attacks, but I know I'm in a sensitive position in that regard. So, rather than sit back and do nothing, I decided to give him a taste of his own medicine. I'm honestly disappointed that you're so quick to fault me, but nonetheless from here on in, I'll simply ignore his posts, unless he attacks others.

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