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Young Blacks Wiil Be Gone (Haircut Edwards says)

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    What a reprehensible statement. Do you think Al and Jesse will be protesting Edwards anytime soon..?
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    Imagine if Romney or Thompson had said this.
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    I saw the clip. I'm curious to see how this plays out. I know how it would had a repub said it. So this should be interesting. I understood what he was trying to say, and I want to see if he is going to get rolled like certain others would.
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    He is not all that far from the truth, morbidity rates for young black men(18-24) are anywhere from 4 to 6 times greater than those in comparable groups.

    Have read where up to 33% of young black males are on probation or incarcerated, although I cannot find it now.. here is something interesting..

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12154123/

    This vexing problem, caused by a variety of social ills, is equally vexing when scholars consider what causes it.

    Among the studies' findings:

    Rates of imprisonment for young black men escalated throughout the 1990s and continued climbing well into the current decade. About 16 percent of black men in their twenties who were not college students were either in jail or in prison.
    African Americans are seven times more likely to go to prison or jail than whites.
    Almost 60 percent of black male high school dropouts in their early thirties have spent time in prison.
    The percentage of young jobless black men continues to increase, part of a trend that generally hasn't abated in decades. In 2000, about 65 percent of black male high-school dropouts had no jobs, either because they couldn't find work or because they were in jail. By 2004, the studies found that number had grown to 72 percent. The numbers for young black men were higher than for whites and Hispanics similarly affected.
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    DOJ stats from '05 give more insight, they have 12% of black males between 20-39 currently incarcerated, that is about 1 in 8.... without regard for the specific numbers, the rates are 5 to 7 times greater than for white folks.. not sure what all this means, but interesting issue. The DOJ keeps very good stats, as that is a big function of Gov't... you don't need a study to know if you walk into a probation office or a prison to know that the majority are black and young..


    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf
    An estimated 12% of black males in
    their late twenties were in prison or
    jail in 2005
    When total incarceration rates are
    estimated separately by age group,
    black males in their twenties and
    thirties are found to have very high
    rates relative to other groups
    (table 13). Among the nearly 2.2
    million offenders incarcerated on June
    30, 2005, an estimated 548,300 were
    black males between the ages of 20
    and 39. Of black non-Hispanic males
    age 25 to 29, 11.9% were in prison or
    jail, compared to 3.9% of Hispanic
    males and about 1.7% of white males
    in the same age group. In general, the
    incarceration rates for black males of
    all ages were 5 to 7 times greater than
    those for white males in the same age
    groups.
    Female incarceration rates, though
    significantly lower than male rates at
    every age, reveal similar racial and
    ethnic disparities. The incarceration
    rate for Black non-Hispanic females
    was 347 per 100,000 almost 22 times
    higher than the rate for Hispanic
    females (144 per 100,000) and 4 times
    higher than the rate for white females
    (88 per 100,000). These differences
    among white, black, and Hispanic
    females were consistent across all age
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    GJAJ15, I doubt if the righties will respond to your posts. They put Edwards words in an intelligent context. The righties want to believe what was said was racist in their pursuit of the mythical double standard. The irony is with posts like theirs the righties keep on proving why the black community needs people like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton.
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    #24 Jersey

    It's a shame but the incarceration rate is because they commit more crimes - usually because they're put in tough situations. Sure it's tough to climb out of poverty but it's extra tough when there's often broken homes to deal with and no parent home because the one parent is out working. It's too bad but it is what it is and it's not society's fault.
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    Why is this tolerated, why do we not have a "War On Gangs" in America why aren't Gangs attacked by the Media and socialist activists they same way Don Imus was attacked, why is the situation described in the following link allowed to get this far, is it because the Police and the Politicians are afraid, will the Law Suits start if they take action, will they be accused of racism, will they lose their jobs, will they Go To Jail instead of the Rat Bastard.
    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1034880
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    Yeah, right, gang members have it a lot better than Don Imus. The police are all over Don. Bet he'll end up in jail. Poor guy.

    And as far as your Herald article, I'm all for hiring more police, more social service workers, more therapists, and other to battle the problem of gangs. The right's solution is, Let's wait until there's a victim, and then arrest someone. The left's solution is, Let's try to prevent victims in the first place.

    What evidence do you have that police aren't doing their jobs because of fear of being accused of racism? Do you think the police are cowards?
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    #24 Jersey

    Patters should listen to Bill Cosby. He knows; Patters doesn't.
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    What does Bill Cosby have to do with this? No one disagrees that families should do more for their kids--but what's your backup plan if people don't listen to him?
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    #24 Jersey

    It has EVERYTHING to do with it. When Liberals spout off about poverty and incarceration among young blacks, Cosby has told everyone why. It's not their ability or intelligence, it's their structure.

    It's too big of a problem for a "backup plan". This isn't a dozen kids, it's hundreds of thousands. Society/government can't make up for a total breakdown of the families of this huge numbers. The change has to come from within.
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    Obviously, not just in black communities, but in poor communities as well, there are many problem families. Sometimes those problems are result of single mothers having to hold down a job, working families not earning enough or being too tired to properly parent, parents not knowing how to parent, bad influences in the neighborhood that put peer pressure on kids. What Cosby said is terribly obvious, but it's only a solution to the problem if people listen. If you've read Jessie Jackson and Louis Farrakhan's words, they have said much the same thing about the need for better parenting, but it's not enough, quite obviously. Cosby's remarks were insipid and made no contribution.

    Sure it can. In fact we did it with the massive influx of immigrants 150 years ago. We had hundreds of thousands of homeless, tens of thousands of child prostitutes, all sorts of crime, sickness, and disease, but we did it. People with the help of the government rose from their despair, at least in part thanks to many of the works, education, and arts programs that FDR implemented.
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    #24 Jersey

    The words may not be enough but the better parenting hasn't been tried. Until black parents take that job seriously their kids will suffer. And it's not society's fault. When my kids fall behind in something I don't go looking for help - I take care of it.
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    FDR can kiss my ass and I hope little insects are biting him in his grave.
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    The left wing seems to like the Creepy little President from Iran, I wonder how he would handle "Gangs", Pelosi and Reid should go over there on a Fact Finding Trip.

    There's a problem and the whole country knows it.

    They were quick on going after Imus why don't they do that with the Gang Bangers that are destroying their own people, where is the outrage from Rotten Sharpton when a little kid gets shot playing on her front porch by one of these scummy murdering gang banging savages, he was right there for Imus though.
    :bricks:
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    They also receive disproportionately different representation, most young kids get court appointed atty's or public defenders... you should spend some time in court, get a very interesting view of institutional racism.. spent 30 years going to court 2 to 3 times per week, never saw a black juvenile judge.. just anglo political appointees.
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    No they don't, I could give a rats ***** about the Iranian Prez.. don't get the Imus analogy though.. that seems to be somewhat of a stretch..
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    I think you're talking about 2 different things here, and if I'm mistaken I apologize in advance. First, there was the success of the waves of German/Irish/Italian immigrants 150-100 years ago. FDR's programs (along with WWII) lifted many out of the poverty of the depression. Those who came before the turn of the century built success through hard work, determination, and a desire to be better off DESPITE racist attitudes in the USA and a distinct lack of help from the federal government. Now I'm not advocating no social programs to help those in need strive to better themselves, but I'm firmly in the camp that believes that no matter how much is given nothing will change unless the impetus comes from the individuals.

    Oh and though I am a "rightie" I don't think Edward's comment was racist, though I do think a Republican would be crucified for saying the same thing.

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