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  1. Harry Boy

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    They're messing with our constitution again, the bastards want your gun but the "poor victim of racism and bigotry gang banger" will keep his.

    We want freedom.

    WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court said Tuesday it will decide whether the District of Columbia can ban handguns, a case that could produce the most in-depth examination of the constitutional right to "keep and bear arms" in nearly 70 years.
    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8T1IL100&show_article=1
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    I'd expect the ban to be deemed unconstitutional as it should be. Regulation is fine, but banning is wrong.
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    Imagine telling the Wash DC gang bangers they can't carry a gun :singing:
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    The constitution usually rules, so expect it to be overturned.
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    I'm all for gun control. I think it only makes sense. The only issue I have is that it be sensible, and that any law abiding citizen have their constitutional right to bear arms. Anyone who doesn't do it legally, should be punished to the furthest extent. I don't own a gun, most of my friends and family do own them, I've shot them, and I don't want them. They're dangerous IMO, and where I wouldn't say I'd never own one, I have absolutely no desire or plans too. No thanks. However, that doesn't mean law abiding citizens shouldn't.
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    Let them have their guns... enforce the laws if they are found guilty of a gun crime. If they kill someone, they should be hanged.
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    I suppose if we look at gangs and individuals as a well regulated militia, then the DC law would be unconstitutional. Hopefully, though, the SC will not be as ridiculous as the right wing, and will instead evaluate the law in light of current reality. Hand guns should not be outlawed nationwide, but there are areas where it probably makes sense to restrict them in order to reduce crime. One has to believe that forefathers had common sense.
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    That's the typical right wing way. Let's not try to stop crime before it happens. Let's simply punish the criminal. A lot of good that does the victim!
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    "A well regulated militia..." has to mean something. It has to qualify the rest of the Amendment somehow or it wouldn't be there. Some have argued that the intent of the founders was to prevent the federal government from banning state militias, IE no federal restrictions on the National Guard, and never intended for this to be a restriction on the individual states from having any sort of law they wanted; but its by no means clear. I see this SC being more than willing to ignore those four words at the beginning of my post though. So I'm not really sure what Harry's so concerned about. I see the DC restriction on borrowed time. It doesn't seem to have done a whole lot to reduce crime. So there's not a whole lot to get upset about either way.
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    Criminals don't care about laws thats why they're criminals, the Gang Bangers would love to see a Law that would take the "good guys" gun away that would mean the Gang Banger and the Scumsucker that comes through your bedroom window at 3:00 AM won't have to worry about anybody shooting his filthy face off, BUT, he'll have his little gun.

    THE BAD GUYS WANT THIS LAW PUT INTO EFFECT IT MEANS LESS GUNS THAT MIGHT SHOOT THEM.

    FOOLS
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    If the approach was as simplistic as you describe, you'd be right, but actually it's more involved. By outlawing guns, you can then easily arrest suspects just for having guns. The idea is to stop crime before it happens, not the idiotic right-wing way of letting the crime happen (even encouraging it by protecting the criminal's right to have guns) and then punishing the criminal. The liberal idea is to save lives; the neocon idea is to punish cirminals at all costs, even if it means giving them the means to commit crimes. It's the same idiotic idea that neocons had in Iraq. Let's stop the terrorists from coming to the US by giving them Americans to kill in Iraq.
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    That makes no sense at all. All you're doing by banning hand guns is eliminating law abiding, legally seaking citizens from having them. A criminal will aquire arms regardless. It's a senseless, stupid, and unconstitutional policy. Again, I'm all for gun control, and sensible regulation, but this law is flat out wrong.
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    What crime Patters? At least 6 of my friends have licenses to carry a concealed weapon. At least 15 of my friends and relatives have rifles and shotguns. None of them have every committed a crime, with, or without their guns. By banning them, all you're doing is preventing law abiding citizens from their constitutional right to have them. When a person drives drunk and kills someone, do we ban alchohol altogether?
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    We should ban alchohol. Bring back Prohibition. :rolleyes:

    You can put arsewipes who commit crimes with illegal weapons in jail for life if you want. You can actually enforce the 1 year mandatories for carrying an unregistered firearm. The problem, as is the case with virtually everything, is enforcement. We don't need to ban didly, since it's not law abiding, registered owners who are the problem. It's the loser criminals. It's sad to see how quickly some people will piss on constituitonal rights.
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    BTW, IRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ!
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    1. If the zany liberals wanted to protect victims so much they would enforce the death penalty. Less gun chargers if people know they will be killed for it. Enforce the guilty by association law and arrest everyone responsible for the shooting. The gun dealer, the shooter, the mobster who ordered the hit...

    ENFORCE THE DAMN LAWS INSTEAD OF GIVING IDIOTS RIGHTS...
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    They have all the laws they need right now to deal with "Scum & Guns" they just won't enforce them and if some prosecutor or cop does try to enforce the existing law the bawling blubbering liberal civil liberty rats want the Cop & Prosecutor put in prison.

    Go after that Baggy Pant Jive A$s Gang Banger thats out on the street killing his brothers everynight, it's not the gun the loons should be going after it's the slimey creep that pulls the trigger that should be eliminated.

    Guns Don't Kill People Kill (Savages)

    Bill Cosby For President
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    Here's how the Massachusetts Moonbats handle criminals, what we need in this country is a Muslim President, Congress, Senate and Supreme Court if we did have a Muslim Govt this guy would have been lashed, his teeth would have been removed along with his feet then he would hve been Stoned To Death and this young women and her husband would still be alive to enjoy tomorrows sunrise.

    Mohammad For President:

    Todays News
    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1046148
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    As I said, in high-crime areas it may make sense to outlaw guns so as to more easily arrest those with guns. It's a way of stopping crime before it happens. While it's true that that approach could result in some innocent law-abiding people being arrested, that would only happen if somehow police became aware they were in possession of a gun. But, where the law serves a purpose is when the police have a suspect, but lack evidence. If the suspect has a gun, s/he can then be arrested.

    Also, I'm all for punishing criminals, but punishing criminals does not stop the crime that has already happened. The goal should be to prevent crime in the first place -- through education, jobs, mental health programs, drug abuse programs, etc. Crime is a reflection of problems in our society. We should correct those problems.

    As far as fleabassist's point about "giving the idiots" rights, in our system of justice, a person is innocent until proven guilty, so you have to give him/her rights.
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    They do arrest outlaws with guns Patters.........but then put them back on the streets later that day............to find another gun.........outlaws dont follow any rules or regulations..........jeez,you just dont get it.......:bricks:
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    You're still missing the point. Sometimes there is not evidence to prosecute the suspect, but if there was a gun law that would be enough to at least get the person off the street for awhile.

    Exactly my point, since they don't follow rules, sometimes it's in the interest of the community to create laws that make it more difficult for them. An honest persona carrying a gun illegally is not likely to be caught, and a dishonest person carrying a gun illegally is far more likely to be caught. Get it?
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    You're logic is retarded at best. So, you want to ban guns, so that you can arrest anyone who has one. Hmmm...how do you know when someone has them? After a crime is committed right? That's one way. Another would be when you search someone for some (hopefully) legal reason. Well, we do that now with the constitutional right in effect. Loser criminals, banned or not, will find guns period. All you need to do is enforce the laws that exist. Put people who unlawfully have a weapon in jail for a long, long time. Banning weapons changes none of that.
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    She must be just another typical NRA white southern radical gun owning, deer shooting hunter... right..? Oh no wait... never mind...
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    It's banana brain logic at it's best.
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    In high crime areas you already CAN be arrested for carrying a gun without a permit. People who commit the crimes do not have the license to carry the gun. High crime areas are usually gang bangers and drug lords.

    I'm all for stopping the crime before it happens. How do you do that? You go after the gun smuggling, the drug lords, the gangs. You don't just ban all guns. If you ban guns the law abiding citizens not only could possibly be prosecuted - when a criminal breaks into your house you are defenseless and if you defend yourself with a gun your breaking the law.

    And sure, they are innocent until proven guilty... let me refraise:
    if you are found guilty of a gun crime then you should be executed. Don't let them go on bond... don't give them life sentence... don't give them plea bargains...


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    Good post (As usual RW :))
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    Gang Bangers & Other Scumbags support stricter gun laws and consfication, it's a terrible outrageous act of violence when some bloodthirsty old variety store owner or some women who is protecting herself shoots and kills one of these poor unfortunate people who are trying to Rob & Kill them, after all some of these (scumsuckers) have no fathers, their mothers are whores, their uncle molested them, their great grandmother was raped by a slave owner, their dog was run over by a rich white guy, they have lived in poverty all of their lives and they never had a Xmas Tree or any toys to play with when they were kids.

    We have to put a stop to these senseless killings and get the guns out of the hands of those savage variety store owners, imagine how many scumbags they have killed that we never hear about.

    Dear Jesus And God, "please don't let these crazy law abiding citizens kill any more of those f-cking scummy murdering rat bastards, please God"
    Amen.
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    Good gravy, could you imagine the sh*tstorm that would ensue if such a policy were ever enacted..? Policemen going into high crime areas but searching citizens for guns without any probable cause..? The race baiters would have a field day with the "profiling" that would go on...
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    Roxbury Mass:
    Many times after a shooting the people in Roxbury demand more Police Protection, then when the Police do increase their presence and start catching the Dirtbag Shooters and slap them around a little the same people that were yowling for more Police start screaming about Racism and Police Brutality.

    The City Of Cambridge is going through this right now, they are having more and more "Shootings" and the people in the shooting area are blubbering for the Police to "do something" then when the Police "do something" they start yelling "racism"

    The people that were screaming for the cops to do something are also the same people that will say "I ditn't see nutten" when asked to testify against the bastards that are shooting up their neighborhood.
    F-ck Them, let them live in their sh!t.
    :bricks:
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    This is what I mean by extremists. I'm a pro-gun control individual. I think people should be trained in gun safety, have back ground checks, have a waiting period for their weapon, and should be licensed. I'm all for that, and any other sensible regulations. It's people like you, and the flip side whackos who want a .357 to be available next to the Twinkies at a 7-Eleven, who ruin things for everybody. There are laws that are desgined to keep these people off the streets. There is supposed to be a 1 year mandatory for possession. Plus, what evidence are you talking about? If a cop catches a criminal, and he has a weapon on him unlawfully, then what evidence do you need? Hello, he was caught red handed. The last part makes ZERO sense at all. So because criminals BREAK the rules, we're going to implement rules that punish those who actually do obey them. [​IMG]
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    From what I've read, that's the angle most lawyers take when defending criminals from an indictment of unlawful possession. They attack the search as being illegal. This country is upside down, and people who think spending more money, or banning everything, is the answer, just don't get it.

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