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  1. CheeseMonkeys

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    If he doesn't sign any of these "big name" FAs. In a couple years we will be able to offer Hernandez and Gronk (as well as others) contracts they won't have to walk away from. That is what may be most crucial to maintaining a great offense over the next 6-7 years rather than signing a V Jax or Mike Wallace right now. In the upcoming months they will make the necessary trades and acquire the necessary players through the draft to contend for another SB.
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    I tend to agree with this. Folks here are just anxious for something to get excited about a la 2007, when Welker and Moss were brought in. Now, if those first four draft picks aren't used ... :rolleyes:
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    but, but, we're nearing 24 hours into FA and we haven't even signed anybody! We're falling behind! We'll never win the East again, let alone get to a SB...
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    With the way teams have been throwing around money I would have to agree. I think there will be some good value later on that will hopefully fill some holes. I think the key to this offseason though will be the draft. It's even more important to draft well because its not economically viable to obtain key players through free agency.
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    There's a big money jump expected in 2014. Besides, when did spending to the cap become problematic for the Patriots?
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    It's a given that a couple of those picks will be traded for next year or to move down.

    I would be SHOCKED if they stand pat with those picks.
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    I'm not a big fan of chasing the big names, but you're not 100% correct.

    who do the pats have under contract beyond 2014? mankins, mayo, solder?

    who else?

    on top of that, the cap is going up substantially at that point. they're going to have to pay somebody
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    I was definitely of the school of thought that this FA class was going to have an inflated market, but this puts A LOT of pressure on the draft to be an incredible one for us. We need some things that BB is not known for drafting well.
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    The thread for the masses of the perpetually miserable is a little higher up, try that.
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    I'm not too worried about it.
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    its called managing the cap ....else you will have to do what the stillers are doing ...cut and renegotiate contracts ....you have to pay the piper sooner or later.....same with the Jest....there depth sux.... I am sure BB will find the right players ....
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    The system is designed so that no team can be solid top to bottom. Priorities get weighed....sacrifices result.
    Looking at the Pats roster....it is top heavy....Brady, Welker, Mankins, Wilfork....about $45 mill there....with Mayo due to average $9.5 starting '13.
    As the OP said....they need to get ready for the Gronk...though I suspect he will be franchised after '13....because the cap explodes and he could get the moon with all that new money available
    Just keep this thought in mind ....the Pats have double the premium picks than most teams...and Dowling, Vareen, and Ridley to a lesser extent will be new additions as well
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    I doubt there are very many players throughout the entire NFL signed beyond 2014. Regardless, here is the Patriots contract situation in regards to when contracts will expire for players that they have that are currently under contract. In addition there are the restricted free agents that were tendered (Hoyer, Love), and the player designated with a franchise tag (Welker).



    Expiring after 2012: Light, Waters, Arrington, Woodhead, Brace, Chung, Barrett, Vollmer, Polite, Thomas, Edelman, Underwood, Pryor, Fletcher, McDonald, Kopa, Ventrone, Davis, Moore, M Carter, Rivera, Lavarias, Hix, Kettani, Silvestro, Cox, Hartline


    Expiring after 2013: Ochocinco, Ninkovich, Gronkowski, Wendell, Cunningham, Hernadez, Spikes, Mesko, Deaderick, Brown, Aiken, Tarpinian, Williams


    Expiring after 2014: Brady, Wilfork, Gostkowski, Solder, McCourty, Dowling, Vereen, Ridley, Mallett, Cannon


    Expiring in 2015: none


    Expiring in 2016: Mankins


    Expiring in 2017: Mayo
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    Everyone with this attitude realizes that Tom Brady only has a few good years left, right? If Mario Williams or Julius Peppers was on our defense the last 2 seasons we probably have 2 more Lombardi trophies. You really want to penny pinch another season with one of the greatest QBs of all time to fall short once again in the playoffs? Sorry but I would rather load up and really go for it the next 2 seasons than try to make sure were not in "cap jail" the first season after Brady is gone. And lets be real, there is no such thing as "cap jail", name me one player either the Jets or Steelers have cut that they wanted to keep? No one, they have both just cut guys past their prime who do not have much left. Even if Pitt loses Mike Wallace, and it looks like they are gonna keep him, they get a 1st rd pick back, doesn't sound like jail to me.
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    It's so funny. Many of us have been on this board for a very long time. EVERY year, people whine and complain 8 minutes into free agency about why the Patriots aren't doing anything, and why is Kraft so cheap, and on an on.

    The Patriots end up signing folks/making trades that make more sense. The masses are happy, and the whining and complaining ceases until the following year. It is so predictable. :)
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    to me it comes down to the fact that they need a legit deep threat WR, and the chances of them getting one in the draft are very small considering this teams track record and the fact that there's only a few guys each year that make an immediate impact in that department.

    I'm never one to advocate spending for the sake of it, but this is one of the most lush FAs I can remember, and the Pats are in good financial shape in terms of contracts and have glaring needs that it's foolish to expect them to solve entirely in the draft.
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    Oh please, why would they want to resign here isn 2 years? Brady could be gone, Welker is getting a lesson in the "Patriot Way" that I am sure is going to rub off on Gronk and Hernandez.
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    I am sorry but when was the last time "Value" made a catch, picked off a pass or tackled a RB?
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    I thought about this as well and i have decided we need to keep gronk and hernandez no matter what. If it came down to it i would cut any player on the defensive side(mayo,wilfork,etc) to keep them. We can still win with a defense fielded by all udfa's lol.
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    If we don't sign any free agents by this time tomorrow I believe we're facing contraction.....or even worse, we'll have to join the CFL :eek:
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    I expect Brady to be around for about another 4 years. People look too deep into this "window of opportunity". I think regardless of any major signings, the pats will be SB contenders as long as Brady is here. And when he's gone we are still going to want to win.
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    There may be more when today's transactions are all announced.

    But after 23 hours of free agency, the patriots have signed four players (3 re-signs and 1 from another team).

    BTW, how many have the other playoff teams signed?

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    You may expect Brady to be around but that does not mean that BB does.

    We do have a window of opportunity with Brady, he is not a Spring chicken anymore. If Peyton Manning to be released anyone can. BB has proven that loyalty for the Patriots is a one way street.
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    It is what it is.

    BB certainly won't draft big time FAs because of one of our threads. But, it's the ritual of being able to get excited about your team going into the next season (which I understand). It's be interestign to see how well the Chand and Hanyseworth signings were. Still, he hit reasonably well on the aging vertern signings (Waters, Carter, Anderson) that didn't cause much excitement (though most of us thought the Waters signing was very fortunate).
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    When 'high paid started' was injured and put on IR.



    Amazing how people are blind to the FACT that we normally have one of the deepest rosters talent wise in the NFL and allows the team to be competitive whe injuries (inevitably) occur.

    The NFL is a war of attrition.
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    I don't have to thank him latter, I will thank him now. BB and his staff understand that they don't have to go after the high price free agents. They find players that fit their system and are cap friendly. Belichick pays big money to the right players (Brady, Wilfork, Mayo, Welker (one year, maybe more), Moss extension etc). Belichick has managed to rebuild his team without having a losing season. That is pretty impressive in the free agency era.
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    Screw that. I have a dirty little secret for you; once Brady is gone, we're not winning a Super Bowl anytime soon. Realistically, Brady has maybe three seasons left in him. If there ever was a time to go out and get a Wallace or a Jackson or a Williams it's this offseason. Carpe diem- seize the day. If it means being in salary cap hell in 2015 or 2016, then so be it.
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    I don't think offense was the reason we didn't win the super bowl. If I was going to break the bank it would be loading up on defense.
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    I would tend to disagree; the defense played good enough to win that game. Regardless, that wasn't my point. My point was is it's time to go out and win now; we're not winning in 2015 or 2016, so screw it and go out and pay for one of the big names out there like a Mario Williams or Mike Wallace. Adding either one of those names on either side of the ball would be HUGE and make us the odds on favorite to win next year.
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    Great explaniation of why you will never be a GM.

    BTW How do you know Mallett won't be say A Rogers, not the GOAT like Brady but an all pro?
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