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  1. Mrs.PatsFanInVa

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    Better late than never.

    Former first lady Laura Bush has broken with her husband on the premier social issues of his administration and said she backs gay marriage and abortion.

    After more than eight years of silence on the controversial issues, Mrs. Bush said in an interview with CNN's Larry KingTuesday, that gay marriage and abortion were points of contention with her husband, former President George W. Bush.


    Laura Bush Supports Gay Marriage, Abortion - ABC News
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    Does this mean the left will stop talking about her car accident every time her name comes up? :confused:
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    interesting - I don't think I had ever heard that about Bush (the accident)

    anyway, good for her. Just another decade or so before enough ignorant people die for gay marriage to be commonplace across the nation, I'm guessing.
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    What a reprehensible thing to say. In other words, typical liberal.

    Queue chico's self righteous "what did I say that was so wrong?" response in 3... 2... 1...
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    It now turns out that not only do you have no idea what a liberal is, you're also unfamiliar with the fact that humans are, in fact, mortal. (did you attend school in Kansas? Did they skip biology in favor of bible studies, and you took the whole "everlasting life" thing the wrong way?)
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    Yes, I am aware that human beings are mortal. But unlike you, you won't see me anticipating with very, very thinly veiled glee the deaths of my fellow countrymen just because they happen to have different political beliefs than I have. One thing you should consider is the men and women who's deaths you are so eagerly anticipating are part of what we call "the greatest generation" and it is only because of their sacrifices that you and your deviant friends can practice the perverse lifestyle of your choice in the first place.

    You really showed what you are made of with that remark, chico. Absolutely despicable. :mad:
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    the "glee" and "eager anticipation" are entirely in your imagination... which makes it pretty clear who the deviant is.

    But talk about showing what you're made of, you certainly have right here. What exactly is this "perverse lifestyle" I lead? Sounds like you're another right wing bible thumper, seeing perversion and deviance at every turn. (Do you hang out with that Phelps crowd, protesting military funerals?)

    as for my political beliefs, I'm not at all surprised your troubled by a belief in equal rights. You've shown that you're a true Republican, clamoring for small government when really all you care about are lower taxes and government efforts to reach back to some imaginary "good old days," when all white Christian heterosexual men were treated as equals.

    (By the way, in your last post, the word was "cue." Who uses "queue" in correctly?)
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    Sorry, chico, but you're not fooling anybody - except maybe yourself.
    Yes, I made a mistake. I never took you for a spelling/grammar Nazi, chico, but given your disgusting, indefensible statements in this very thread I guess that is all you are left with.

    Funny thing is, you look twice as foolish when you criticize my brain fart whilst making one of your own. BTW, "incorrectly" as you are using it above is one word. Who uses "incorrectly" incorrectly? :rofl: :rofl:
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    I'm not a spelling/grammar Nazi, or there'd be plenty more -- I make plenty myself, as you've pointed out. My question is how/why one uses the word queue instead of cue. Weird mistake to make.

    But I don't blame you for focusing on that. Who am I fooling, and about what? Suddenly you don't really want to say much. Afraid you've let too much of your bigotry show?

    Look, you could just be an adult and admit that in your partisan desire to attack somebody, you read things into a post that weren't there. That doesn't explain your subsequent comments, but it's a start.
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    What's so strange about it? I confused the word "queue" with "cue". BFD.

    Fortunately you sabotaged your own post by making yourself look twice as foolish by criticizing my careless mistake while making an even more foolish one of your own.
    My position on gay marriage (as well as the homosexual lifestyle) is already on record. Your immature name-calling will do nothing to change that. Meanwhile, I am not the one sitting here eagerly anticipating the deaths of my countrymen.
    And you can be an adult and just admit you said a disgusting, reprehensible thing for openly anticipating with very thinly veiled glee the deaths of older citizens because, on average, they disagree with your position on this issue.

    But given your actions in this thread, we all know you won't be man enough to do that.

    Unless you have something intelligent to say - highly doubtful given that you have apparently decided to take the lowest road possible - my participation in this back-and-forth is done. You disgust me with your remarks and I shall not dignify them any further. :mad:
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    I don't think it was a foolish mistake. I think youveere trying to use a word that you don't really know the meaning of, given your track record in this and other threads.

    But back to this thread... I don't think you've once posted a fact here. Show me the glee you claim exists. Please point to the eager anticipation. Again, it's all in your head. I was stating facts. I'm sorry that can't handle the truth.

    The rest of what you've posted has revealed your bigotry. Perversion, deviance, etc. A wild imagination, and a hate-filled man.

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    By the way, I enjoyed the notion that your responses somehow dignify my posts. Talk about self-righteousness.
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    What would have happened if Laura opened her mouth in 2000???? Would Gore have gotten a few more hanging chads??

    Not that I support or even like Gore, but it would have proven interesting...
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    That's true, Biden and Obama won't live forever.
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    Probably not - no one gives a dam what a wife says.
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    Take that Mr.PatsFanInVa!:D
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    Now if we could only get Obama to recognize it, God wouldn't that be wonderful.
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    Careful, some may think they detect glee in your post.
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    I guess if I can be sarcastic, you can too. :p The larger point behind mine is that gay marriage is not all that black and white an issue of liberals for conservatives. You simply can't say liberal=tolerant and conservative=bigot. Asked point blank in the presidential campaign, all 4 presidents and vice presidential candidates said they believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. While I do not detect glee from you at the thought of them dying off it, you do seem to express some sort of comfort or relief at the notion. The problem is many good caring people living today have honest, deep religious or personal convictions that form their beliefs on many subjects. Will the beliefs you happen to agree with them on die off with them too?
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    The deeply religious "Black Community" came out very strongly in California against "Gay Marriage".

    This is not a Left/Right issue many on The Left who for their own personal reasons support Man/Women marriage including The President Of The United States.

    I personally am nowhere on this , I don't give a sh!t.
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    Very true. This is a guy, after all, who doesn't know that Constitutional rights apply to non-citizens, thinks Jimmy Carter is the worst president in US history, and apparently genuinely believes that Obama hates the military.
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    Pretty horrible thing to say pal.
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    Why comment then?? and get yourself all in a dither.....
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    It would have made for great fodder for Bush's political enemies, been the subject of late night comedic monologues, etc, etc. Would it have made the difference in 2000? Well, 2000 was so close that an inappropriately timed sneeze could have made the difference, so something like this which would have ultimately resulted in negative press may have swayed a couple thousand people (out of the tens of millions who voted) which may have changed things around a bit.

    We'll never know.
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    You are absolutely right, on all of this.

    Of course not (and I haven't). In fact, in an earlier conversation, perhaps on this topic, I realized that I was applying the bigot label incorrectly and admitted that. I do think most if not all opposed to gay marriage are showing prejudice, but that doesn't make them bigots (though many certainly are -- as indicated earlier in this thread, for example).

    Personally, I think Obama is either fundamentally wrong on the issue or he is doing what he believes to be politically expedient. Unless the latter is actually a ploy of some sort (which I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt on), he is being weak. Either way (wrong or weak), I consider it one of many things I've disliked about his presidency thus far.

    (and to the earlier point re bigotry v prejudice, of the 4 Pres/VP candidates, my sense is that 3 of the 4 are not bigots - though they're prejudiced on this matter)

    Ah, now that is a much more accurate read. I'm not sure if those are precisely the terms, that's the general idea -- I guess how I actually view it is something good resulting from something that is inevitable.

    Perhaps, but I'm not aware of any beliefs of that type that are so clearly delineated by age.

    I guess I see a couple issues with the "good people" concept, though. First, I agree that there are probably many seemingly good people who have deep convictions on this. However, some of those people probably are bigots. Just as with the case of race, otherwise "good" people can harbor pretty disgusting views on various matters.

    Beyond them, however, are those people who actually are pretty good people, but for whatever reason, they have an issue not so much with homosexuals as with gay marriage. But I have yet to hear any substance behind their objections. It's purely subjective and often emotional. Yes, those views may often be due to religion, but marriage isn't solely a religious institution in our country.

    Personally, I say we should get government out of marriage entirely. Leave marriage to religious institutions or as a private matter. Replace the government institution currently known as "marriage" with civil union, for both heterosexual and homosexual couples.

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    By the way, are you opposed to gay marriage (marriage as legal institution, to be clear)? If so, can you provide any legitimate rationale for the government only to recognize heterosexual couples as being married?
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    No, not really. Just demographics.
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    So you're hoping that 70% of voting blacks in California drop dead. Nice!
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    I said nothing of the sort.

    If you really think I said that, please quote that part of my post rather than making unfounded accusations.
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    I love the ridiculousness of the assumption that anyone opposing gay marriage is "ignorant". Many of us are actually well-informed. We just disagree.

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