You fools want to write off Chad Jackson

[Pats726]

I'm disappointed w/ Jackson's development. I understand he's been hurt, but despite the injury his development has been painfully slow. The fact that he couldn't get more reps later in the season show's he doesn't have what it takes between the ears to pick up the system. I'm not niave enough to think there isn't a rookie learning curve, but Jackson has demonstrated that he is in the lowest percentile when it comes to football smarts.

I hope he succeeds and I am proven wrong, but for a high second rounder in a deep draft he has clearly not lived up to expectations.

Do you think all players follow the same curve of development? You could be correct in your thoughts, but I think it's much to early to make sweeping judgements.

 

[Water Boy]

While I don't agree with some of what the original poster has said I will say that the posters who go around calling Jackson a "bust" and write him off as a wasted pick annoy the piss out of me.

I won't go as far as to say it was a wasted pick, but there are several players I'd rather have on the roster than CJ. Here's the picks in round 2 and 3 between the CJ pick and Dave Thomas. Not to mention Colston in round 7 who made every GM in the league look foolish.

37 Atlanta [b]Jimmy Williams CB Virginia Tech[/b] 
38 Oakland Thomas Howard LB Texas-El Paso 
39 Philadelphia Winston Justice T Southern California 
40 Detroit Daniel Bullocks FS Nebraska 
41 Arizona Deuce Lutui G Southern California 
42 Chicago Danieal Manning FS Abilene Christian 
43 New Orleans Roman Harper SS Alabama 
44 N.Y. Giants Sinorice Moss WR Miami 
45 Tennessee LenDale White RB Southern California 
46 St. Louis Joe Klopfenstein TE Colorado 
47 Green Bay Daryn Colledge T Boise State 
48 Minnesota Cedric Griffin CB Texas 
49 N.Y. Jets Kellen Clemens QB Oregon 
50 San Diego [b]Marcus McNeill T Auburn[/b] 
51 Minnesota Ryan Cook T New Mexico 
52 Green Bay [b]Greg Jennings WR Western Michigan[/b] 
53 Dallas Anthony Fasano TE Notre Dame 
54 Kansas City Bernard Pollard SS Purdue 
55 Cincinnati Andrew Whitworth T Louisiana State 
56 Baltimore Chris Chester G Oklahoma 
57 Chicago [b]Devin Hester CB Miami[/b] 
58 Carolina Richard Marshall CB Fresno State 
59 Tampa Bay Jeremy Trueblood T Boston College 
60 Jacksonville [b]Maurice Jones-Drew RB UCLA[/b] 
61 Denver Tony Scheffler TE Western Michigan 
62 Indianapolis Tim Jennings CB Georgia 
63 Seattle Darryl Tapp DE Virginia Tech 
64 Minnesota Tarvaris Jackson QB Alabama State 
  
Round 3 
Sel# Team Player Pos. School 
65 Houston Charles Spencer T Pittsburgh 
66 Houston Eric Winston T Miami 
67 Green Bay Abdul Hodge MLB Iowa 
68 St. Louis Claude Wroten DT Louisiana State 
69 Oakland Paul McQuistan G Weber State 
70 Buffalo Ashton Youboty CB Ohio State 
71 Philadelphia Chris Gocong LB Cal Poly-SLO 
72 Arizona Leonard Pope TE Georgia 
73 Chicago Dusty Dvoracek DT Oklahoma 
74 Detroit Brian Calhoun RB Wisconsin 
75 Green Bay Jason Spitz G Louisville 
76 N.Y. Jets Anthony Schlegel MLB Ohio State 
77 St. Louis Jon Alston OLB Stanford 
78 Cleveland Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma 
79 Atlanta Jerious Norwood RB Mississippi State 
80 Jacksonville Clint Ingram OLB Oklahoma 
81 San Diego Charlie Whitehurst QB Clemson 
82 Miami [b]Derek Hagan WR Arizona State[/b] 
83 Pittsburgh Anthony Smith FS Syracuse 
84 San Francisco Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin 
85 Kansas City Brodie Croyle QB Alabama 


252 New Orleans [b]Marques Colston WR Hofstra[/b]

 

[SeanBruschi54]

37 Atlanta [b]Jimmy Williams CB Virginia Tech[/b] 
38 Oakland Thomas Howard LB Texas-El Paso 
39 Philadelphia Winston Justice T Southern California 
40 Detroit Daniel Bullocks FS Nebraska 
41 Arizona Deuce Lutui G Southern California 
42 Chicago Danieal Manning FS Abilene Christian 
43 New Orleans Roman Harper SS Alabama 
44 N.Y. Giants Sinorice Moss WR Miami 
45 Tennessee LenDale White RB Southern California 
46 St. Louis Joe Klopfenstein TE Colorado 
47 Green Bay Daryn Colledge T Boise State 
48 Minnesota Cedric Griffin CB Texas 
49 N.Y. Jets Kellen Clemens QB Oregon 
50 San Diego [b]Marcus McNeill T Auburn[/b] 
51 Minnesota Ryan Cook T New Mexico 
52 Green Bay [b]Greg Jennings WR Western Michigan[/b] 
53 Dallas Anthony Fasano TE Notre Dame 
54 Kansas City Bernard Pollard SS Purdue 
55 Cincinnati Andrew Whitworth T Louisiana State 
56 Baltimore Chris Chester G Oklahoma 
57 Chicago [b]Devin Hester CB Miami[/b] 
58 Carolina Richard Marshall CB Fresno State 
59 Tampa Bay Jeremy Trueblood T Boston College 
60 Jacksonville [b]Maurice Jones-Drew RB UCLA[/b] 
61 Denver Tony Scheffler TE Western Michigan 
62 Indianapolis Tim Jennings CB Georgia 
63 Seattle Darryl Tapp DE Virginia Tech 
64 Minnesota Tarvaris Jackson QB Alabama State 
  
Round 3 
Sel# Team Player Pos. School 
65 Houston Charles Spencer T Pittsburgh 
66 Houston Eric Winston T Miami 
67 Green Bay Abdul Hodge MLB Iowa 
68 St. Louis Claude Wroten DT Louisiana State 
69 Oakland Paul McQuistan G Weber State 
70 Buffalo Ashton Youboty CB Ohio State 
71 Philadelphia Chris Gocong LB Cal Poly-SLO 
72 Arizona Leonard Pope TE Georgia 
73 Chicago Dusty Dvoracek DT Oklahoma 
74 Detroit Brian Calhoun RB Wisconsin 
75 Green Bay Jason Spitz G Louisville 
76 N.Y. Jets Anthony Schlegel MLB Ohio State 
77 St. Louis Jon Alston OLB Stanford 
78 Cleveland Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma 
79 Atlanta Jerious Norwood RB Mississippi State 
80 Jacksonville Clint Ingram OLB Oklahoma 
81 San Diego Charlie Whitehurst QB Clemson 
82 Miami [b]Derek Hagan WR Arizona State[/b] 
83 Pittsburgh Anthony Smith FS Syracuse 
84 San Francisco Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin 
85 Kansas City Brodie Croyle QB Alabama 


252 New Orleans [b]Marques Colston WR Hofstra[/b]

Why did you bold some of the crappiest players and not others? Hagan, Hester and Williams were nothing special last season. Hester was a one trick pony who only can play special teams.

Guys like Richard Marshall, Daniel Bullocks (who i was positive was on the Saints) were much better players that helped there teams.

I still dont understand why you think hes going to be a bust after one injury plagued rookie season unfortunately mixed with an ACL tear in the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP game.

 

[zoostation]

Let's all welcome Chad's agent to the board. Welcome, bro.

LOL!.......

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I see we're now doing a run-down of 2006 draftees production. Brilliant idea, for 2008 or 2009.

If you did a run-down of production the year Asante and Geno came into the league, Asante would be a disappointment, a look-who-we-coulda-got-with-this-pick guy.

Now we're in a mess over whether to try to keep him long-term. Whatever you think about that, the point is even better when you talk about receivers.

A receiver who does produce in his rookie year is the man-bites-dog story. There are way more who do not... development time is almost a given for receivers.

And drafts are best judged at least 3 years after the fact. Nice little exercise, and very cool scrolling box, I have to say. But I don't think it means much at this juncture.

PFnV

 

[Dragda]

Why is your opinion of Welker so low?

Welker will be the #3 WR on this team in July, August, September, October, November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January, February...until his contract expires.

Welker > Stallworth (but barely and only because of our system)

 

[sebman2112]

Why did you bold some of the crappiest players and not others? Hagan, Hester and Williams were nothing special last season. Hester was a one trick pony who only can play special teams.

Guys like Richard Marshall, Daniel Bullocks (who i was positive was on the Saints) were much better players that helped there teams.

I still dont understand why you think hes going to be a bust after one injury plagued rookie season unfortunately mixed with an ACL tear in the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP game.

I know. Richard Marshall was number four on my list of players I wanted for NE in that draft. I had Maroney, Jackson, Carpenter, and Marshall. I really fought over that one to because I like Richard Marshall a lot.

 

[sebman2112]

I see we're now doing a run-down of 2006 draftees production. Brilliant idea, for 2008 or 2009.

If you did a run-down of production the year Asante and Geno came into the league, Asante would be a disappointment, a look-who-we-coulda-got-with-this-pick guy.

Now we're in a mess over whether to try to keep him long-term. Whatever you think about that, the point is even better when you talk about receivers.

A receiver who does produce in his rookie year is the man-bites-dog story. There are way more who do not... development time is almost a given for receivers.

And drafts are best judged at least 3 years after the fact. Nice little exercise, and very cool scrolling box, I have to say. But I don't think it means much at this juncture.

PFnV

Also a lot of receivers who are productive in their rookie seasons have slumps in production during their second season, and sometimes never get back to the same level of production. Look at Michael Clayton's career to this point: 1193 yards his rookie year than in his second year only 372 yards, and only 356 yards in his third year.

 

[Water Boy]

Hester was a one trick pony who only can play special teams.

Hester had 5 touchdowns in the regular season on returns.
1128 total return yards
26.4 yrds ave kick returns
12.8 yrds ave punt returns

Not to mention what he did in the playoffs.

Ya your right. No way Belicheck would want a game breaker who only contributes to special teams.

I still dont understand why you think hes going to be a bust after one injury plagued rookie season unfortunately mixed with an ACL tear in the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP game.

The fact that he couldn't contribute at all later in the season given his tremendous physical talent makes me believe that his upside is more akin to Bethel Johnson than Marques Colston. There is nothing that Jackson accomplished last season that you can point to as proof that he will develop in to a top notch receiver. My inclination is that the glass is half empty while yours is that it is half full. I hope I'm wrong and you are right.

 

[TealSox]

Jackson, who injured his knee playing special teams late in New England's 38-34 loss, could still be ticketed for the physically-unable-to-perform list when training camp opens July 27. However, his agents say it would be a mistake to write off the second-year receiver and assume he is headed to injured reserve. Of course, judging by their off-season activity, Jackson is not a big part of the Patriots' 2007 plans. New England added wideouts Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte' Stallworth, and Kelley Washington in the offseason via trade or free agency.

per http://www.footballdiehards.com/


Take it for what it is worth.

 

[patriotsdynasty12189]

Why did you bold some of the crappiest players and not others? Hagan, Hester and Williams were nothing special last season. Hester was a one trick pony who only can play special teams.

Guys like Richard Marshall, Daniel Bullocks (who i was positive was on the Saints) were much better players that helped there teams.

I still dont understand why you think hes going to be a bust after one injury plagued rookie season unfortunately mixed with an ACL tear in the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP game.

Saying Hester wasnt special is dumb. If 6 kickreturns for TDS arent special, then what is?

 

[Patjew]

Hester had 5 touchdowns in the regular season on returns.
1128 total return yards
26.4 yrds ave kick returns
12.8 yrds ave punt returns

Not to mention what he did in the playoffs.

Ya your right. No way Belicheck would want a game breaker who only contributes to special teams.

Totally agree. Who would NOT want a guy like that on his team?

The fact that he couldn't contribute at all later in the season given his tremendous physical talent makes me believe that his upside is more akin to Bethel Johnson than Marques Colston. There is nothing that Jackson accomplished last season that you can point to as proof that he will develop in to a top notch receiver. My inclination is that the glass is half empty while yours is that it is half full. I hope I'm wrong and you are right.

To be fair, he had a couple of bright moments: The first Jets game, the TD vs. the Vikings.

 

[zippo59]

If the draft was held again, what round would you pick Hester in?

 

[Water Boy]

To be fair, he had a couple of bright moments: The first Jets game, the TD vs. the Vikings.

Even a blind squirel finds nuts once in a while. Lets hope its a glimmer of his potential and that he has a huge career with the Pats.

 

[Remix 6]

Why did you bold some of the crappiest players and not others? Hagan, Hester and Williams were nothing special last season. Hester was a one trick pony who only can play special teams.

Guys like Richard Marshall, Daniel Bullocks (who i was positive was on the Saints) were much better players that helped there teams.

I still dont understand why you think hes going to be a bust after one injury plagued rookie season unfortunately mixed with an ACL tear in the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP game.

Hester never pretended that hes a solid CB/WR or RB..he was drafted because of his ability. He was highly recruited..if Coker wasnt a ****** and ruined his future at a set position..he could of been very good at CB

Hester is a return specialist..he was phenominal. i could care less if hes a 1 trick pony..hes amazing at it while he adjusts to a new position which is now WR

Bullocks isnt even on the Saints. your talking about Josh. Daniel is on the Lions..and he wasnt very good last year anyways. What did Dan help? 1 of the worst defenses?

im 1 of the strong Jackson supporters and i know he'll come in and fight his ass off and beat out quiet a few people

 

[Remix 6]

Jackson, who injured his knee playing special teams late in New England's 38-34 loss, could still be ticketed for the physically-unable-to-perform list when training camp opens July 27. However, his agents say it would be a mistake to write off the second-year receiver and assume he is headed to injured reserve. Of course, judging by their off-season activity, Jackson is not a big part of the Patriots' 2007 plans. New England added wideouts Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte' Stallworth, and Kelley Washington in the offseason via trade or free agency.

per http://www.footballdiehards.com/


Take it for what it is worth.

worth nothing. just because we add talent doesnt write off anyone. football especially under BB has nothing set in stone.

 

[Remix 6]

From what I hear, with this injury, Chad may be running at full speed in training camp. but will still be months away from pushing off of that leg to make cuts (ie. run routes). Eventually, his knee will be fully healed. I am more concerned with the other issues, the immaturity, the dedication, the work ethic. Will this kid ever "get it"? I need to see improvements in those areas before I make any further judgments.

what immaturity? His issues were playbook: which i think he admitted that he didnt fully study when he was hurt which goes with work ethic i guess and dedication to be a better player. the immaturity thing was just rumors .

 

[40yrpatsfan]

The news about his recovery leads to 1 conclusion: PUP list. With all the receivers, it would make zero sense to rush him in any way - his injury occurred only 5 months ago. He'd come off the PUP list at about 9 months, which is really the minimum you want for an ACL.

If his recovery still looks good in a month, they won't IR him because they'll want to see how the new guys work out. A healthy Jackson returning in late October will give them an option in midseason. They can always IR him then if they don't need him.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

Hester had 5 touchdowns in the regular season on returns.
1128 total return yards
26.4 yrds ave kick returns
12.8 yrds ave punt returns

Not to mention what he did in the playoffs.

Ya your right. No way Belicheck would want a game breaker who only contributes to special teams.



The fact that he couldn't contribute at all later in the season given his tremendous physical talent makes me believe that his upside is more akin to Bethel Johnson than Marques Colston. There is nothing that Jackson accomplished last season that you can point to as proof that he will develop in to a top notch receiver. My inclination is that the glass is half empty while yours is that it is half full. I hope I'm wrong and you are right.

The sad aprt is Hester was drafted to be a CB and couldnt play the position to save his life. He is not being converted to WR which is not going so well either.

If Hester has a average year on ST's this year hes basically all done playing as far as most teams are concerned.

He's a Bethel Johnson comparison in which he was great on ST's his rookie year and the more teams see of him the worst he may do.

I dont like him and many coaches hate players like that.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

Saying Hester wasnt special is dumb. If 6 kickreturns for TDS arent special, then what is?

He's a one trick pony. If he cant play on ST's he cant make it on any roster in the NFL. Its great for him that hes able to run around like a psycho on kickoffs. But then he's useless at his drafted position (CB) and not going well at his new position (WR).