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    With our country at war since 2003 and all of the women and children who have been killed (collateral damage), we have lost our moral compass and are completely desenstized to violence.. we expect this stuff to happen.

    The Churches are quiet, instead focusing on women's issues..
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    I'm not desensitized to anything....... liberals hammered away on this for exactly 15 seconds and then went back to gnawing on romney
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    And the right hammered away for 16 seconds and then went back to hammering Obama..

    As a country we are completely desensitized to violence.. we have come to expect it.
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    So true.

    I live in Lowell and I actually justify the stabbings that seem to happen every other weekend saying "At least the guy/girl wasn't shot."

    You and I know that the USA is the most violent place on earth.
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    Do you think it could be because of the size of our population, coupled with the level of freedom guaranteed to us and the cut throat quality of our economic and social systems?
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    When you allow 50 million babies to be killed over 40 years and call it choice. it does desensitize the society to violence.



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    :hijacked:

    Please stop hijacking threads about murder and turning them into threads about abortion. Everybody doesn't have your bumper sticker.

    If it's not okay for the rank and file to hijack threads, it should be that much more off-limits for a mod. It should not be "okay" for a mod just because he knows he acts with impunity.

    Start another abortion thread and discuss the theater shooting here, if you have something to say about it.

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    Didja ever see the guy who drives around in a car with ban abortion signs all over his car, yea the same guy who pickets Planned Parenthood every day..

    Sometimes he has rosary beads around his neck, other times he walks the streets with a cross..

    Incapable of a discussion, as he is of single focus..

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    I agree PFnVA.

    13 - there are two threads regarding that topic going on, or at the very least, that is the topic being discussed.
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    All discussions of being awash in guns n ammo aside, you have to wonder what the level of violent crime would/could be were the national competitive ethos not so prominent.

    It's not very far from "Greed is Good" to "Work is for suckas." Reminds me of an 80s song, "it's not that far."

    Ponder a society where the floor beneath which you can't sink is considerably higher.... they have that society in "socialist" countries, like those in Scandanavia. They also have low rates of murder in general. And of course other countries have lower gun violence, by orders of magnitude.

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    Nope. There were 14,000 murders in the USA in 2010.

    Deal with it: A lot of Americans love guns.
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    That is sorta my point. Our system rewards, in many times handsomely, those who are the risk takers. Add to that human beings inherit characteristics of selfishness and jealously, and you have a case, where at almost every level of the social/demographic hierarchy, someone will try to pork over someone else; be it to consolidate power or to have what they previously had not.



    Well the gun violence thing I think is its own animal, as most countries on our planet do not allow citizens to own guns the way we do.

    In looking at Scandinavia - i think the biggest difference is population. The total population is what, 25M? It is easier to provide, care for, protect; set "the floor beneath which you can't sink is considerably higher" when you are dealing with 1/10 the number of people.

    Not to mention, when you drop a population by 90%, you drop the number of crazies, sick (mentality), deranged, broken and dumb people by that same percentage. Economies of scale, or what have you.
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    I guess that is what I meant by freedoms Gainzo.

    Americans love guns, and our constitution protects the rights to them.

    However I also think there is a level of education (in general, not gun specific education) that goes with this. I find Americans views and attitudes towards education dumbfounding.

    Of all the nationalities I knew during my HS years, Scots, Brits, French, Germans, Ozzys, NZ'lers, Koreans, Japanese, Indians, Pakistanis, Canadians etc etc etc etc (all 92 countries represented), there was no dumber group as a whole than the Americans.

    As for the guns, there is no other country which allows the "freedom" to them that we do.
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    Drewski, population size isn't really the issue, though population density is a possible issue (I bet our per capita violence is higher w/higher population density -- but you don't see ultra-high violence stats in Singapore or Hong Kong.) If you're worried about sheer national population stats, why doesn't India have the highest murder rate in the world?

    The reason a rate is a rate is that it scales. You want to multiply Denmark's raw number of murders by the appropriate factor? You still don't get America's rate.

    If your point is that regulating violence is harder for more people, India manages it.

    But I think you're definitely right on with the nature of our dog-eat-dog culture. We have a paranoid mindset, and we assume that people are or can be threats far too often. There's much less easy recognition of the person in the next booth over as an okay person, and much more fear of what he's carrying, just for example. In part (as illustrated in this example,) that's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Going back to the narrow case - Mr. Batman Shooter - I don't think we'd get these regular atrocities without a number of cultural influences. Between gang violence, video violence, movie violence, skinhead/ultra-rightist worship of violence, etc etc etc, I think the line between fantasy and reality is just weaker in far too many minds here.

    This one particular guy is a whack job... but how do we keep pumping out "special cases" like him so regularly, who regularly act out violent impulses?

    And how much does it have to do with it that we as a nation emphasize violence to achieve our interests? No other country in the world is as comfortable with this, if one personalizes "my country" as "me," and thinks at least in part through that prism.

    If I have might, I must be right. Look around: everybody the U.S. attacks ends up "deserving it."

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    if there'a any metric by which that's true, in some ways it's a good thing -- because the USA is a pretty safe place
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    Well one of the posters talked about society being desensitized to violence, post #2 to be specific. I agree we have been desensitized to violence and IMO our acceptance of abortion and the attendant callous attitude towards the defenseless is at the root of it.

    SO IMO this speaks directly to the subject of the post.

    Just not from the assumptions of some of the other posters.

    Some posters try to restrict the speech of others by invoking race thread hijacking ect.
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    Any evidence behind your belief?

    You seem oblivious to the fact that many people don't share your belief that a fertilized egg is a human being. Most people don't view abortion as violence just like they don't view a miscarriage as a woman violently killing (albeit unintentionally) another human being.
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    Haven't looked. Not sure academics who support abortion would look for evidence it si bad for you. certainly these is a lot of evidence for increased drug abuse depression and suicide among women who have had abortions.



    You make my point. People are desensitized to the point when killing a baby is compartmentalized and not seen as violence. ;)

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