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It's not Mike Reiss' job to "defend or explaind BB's draft" decisions. So, what was your point again?
To back Reiss on that everyone wanted Cassel cut after the 08 pre-season....
Last year the week of the draft, many folks here were disappointed in the Tavon Wilson pick and delighted with the Dennard pick. They felt Wilson was a big reach and Dennard a great value.
I think at the end of the year, the majority view proved more accurate. Wilson played himself onto the bench, and Dennard played himself onto the field.
This site is not peopled with idiots. A number of folks pay attention.
For every "most wins in the NFL" argument the "worst passing defense in the NFL" can be trotted out. The repeated frustration is that Belichick the coach and Brady the QB make up for some GM/personnel mistakes. But for those, the "most wins" might be "most trophies."
I don't recall any of the draft-compulsives calling out Harmon before this week. And these guys go three and four hundred players deep.
I echo the comments, such as mgteich's, that if you can't offer criticism, what's a place like this for anyway?
To back Reiss on that everyone wanted Cassel cut after the 08 pre-season....
It absolutely had to do with talent. That's why they traded for Talib. If the talent was there then they never would have given up a 4th rounder for less than a full season of a player.
I don't recall any of the draft-compulsives calling out Harmon before this week. And these guys go three and four hundred players deep.
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A quick search of Patsfan shows that the first time Harmon's name appeared on this site was..........just after he was picked
bullspit!!! I first mentioned Harmon THREE years ago...pay attention....
Old 10-25-2011, 05:01 AM #317
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Default Re: Patriots to look at Angie Harmon
The Pats just dropped a WR from their practice squad roster....making room for....Angie Harmon???
First, it wasn't a demotion. Whether if fans like McCourty or not, Belichick loves the guy. He values his leadership and smarts and he feels that those traits could be better used at safety. Belichick doesn't view safety as a demotion at all. I guarantee you he would take one Rodney Harrison over ten Ty Laws. I think he feels the safety is the captain of the defensive backfield and the glue that holds the secondary together.
Second, if McCourty becomes a Pro Bowl safety, is he a bad pick late in the first round. I think he was drafted lower than Meriweather in the first round.
McCourty was drafted to be a man-to-man guy. Maybe not our Revis, but a cornerstone of our defense for years to come. He excelled in his rookie year and was almost cut his soph year. He's going to become a serviceable safety because he can't play man-to-man, which we drafted him to do.
It's not a total BB draft failure, it's a cover if he holds up as a safety. Bottom line is that we never drafted him to play this position, and the fact that he is slotted there to start just shows BB failed. He drafted a cover corner. Didn't get one.
BTW, this is the same BS logic the Jet are going to use to justify Wilson as a full-time nickel-back. Milliner will start but Kyle was a 1st round pick and will see the bench. I remember the debate about these two -- neither will get a starting CB job.
McCourty was drafted to be a man-to-man guy. Maybe not our Revis, but a cornerstone of our defense for years to come. He excelled in his rookie year and was almost cut his soph year. He's going to become a serviceable safety because he can't play man-to-man, which we drafted him to do.
It's not a total BB draft failure, it's a cover if he holds up as a safety. Bottom line is that we never drafted him to play this position, and the fact that he is slotted there to start just shows BB failed. He drafted a cover corner. Didn't get one.
BTW, this is the same BS logic the Jet are going to use to justify Wilson as a full-time nickel-back. Milliner will start but Kyle was a 1st round pick and will see the bench. I remember the debate about these two -- neither will get a starting CB job.
This team has spent what, 10 picks in the first 3 rounds on D-backs since 2007?
Whoever is doing the D-back evaluations, and/or responsible for coaching and making the D-backs better, should be replaced. It isn't working and hasn't been working for over 5 years now. The only D-back who has stuck as a starter has been Talib who was groomed elsewhere.
Not to pick on you, but I think this is a good opportunity to dispell this notion or atleast discuss it. Explain this?
2009 defense:
11th yardage (320.2ypg)
2008 defense:
10th yardage (309ypg)
2007 defense:
4th yardage (288.3ypg)
2006 defense:
6th yardage (294.4ypg)
2005 defense*
26th yardage (330.2ypg)
2004 defense
9th yardage (310.8ypg)
2003 defense:
7th yardage (290.6ypg)
*Massive injuries across the defense
BB's defenses never got shredded through the air/in general like they do 2010-present yardage wise. What happened? The Pats offense argument is weak since the 2007 defense was the best for yardage in the BB era.
This team has spent what, 10 picks in the first 3 rounds on D-backs since 2007?
Whoever is doing the D-back evaluations, and/or responsible for coaching and making the D-backs better, should be replaced. It isn't working and hasn't been working for over 5 years now. The only D-back who has stuck as a starter has been Talib who was groomed elsewhere.
McCourty was drafted in the hopes of him being a #1 corner. Him being demoted to safety but remaining a starter is not a credit to that particular draft selection.
As a Patriot scout it has to be a little demoralizing / demotivating to see so many picks the past 5 years associated with guys picked just because Belichick knows the coach. It's almost like why even bother
I didn't realize Rutgers had the best defensive backfield in D1 ball the past few years
Last year the week of the draft, many folks here were disappointed in the Tavon Wilson pick and delighted with the Dennard pick. They felt Wilson was a big reach and Dennard a great value.
I think at the end of the year, the majority view proved more accurate. Wilson played himself onto the bench, and Dennard played himself onto the field. Wilson didn't play himself onto the bench as much as Gregory and Chung got healthy and McCourty was playing better over-all than Wilson
This site is not peopled with idiots. A number of folks pay attention.
It's not a matter of paying attention. It's a matter of making erroneous assumptions based on false assumptions by the people. And yes, I've done it myself. When I have, I've corrected it and admitted I was wrong and tried to learn from it. Something that far too many DON'T do.
For every "most wins in the NFL" argument the "worst passing defense in the NFL" can be trotted out. The repeated frustration is that Belichick the coach and Brady the QB make up for some GM/personnel mistakes. But for those, the "most wins" might be "most trophies."
I don't recall any of the draft-compulsives calling out Harmon before this week. And these guys go three and four hundred players deep.
I echo the comments, such as mgteich's, that if you can't offer criticism, what's a place like this for anyway?
To back Reiss on that everyone wanted Cassel cut after the 08 pre-season....
McCourty was drafted to be a man-to-man guy. Maybe not our Revis, but a cornerstone of our defense for years to come. He excelled in his rookie year and was almost cut his soph year. He's going to become a serviceable safety because he can't play man-to-man, which we drafted him to do.
It's not a total BB draft failure, it's a cover if he holds up as a safety. Bottom line is that we never drafted him to play this position, and the fact that he is slotted there to start just shows BB failed. He drafted a cover corner. Didn't get one.
BTW, this is the same BS logic the Jet are going to use to justify Wilson as a full-time nickel-back. Milliner will start but Kyle was a 1st round pick and will see the bench. I remember the debate about these two -- neither will get a starting CB job.