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  1. shmessy

    shmessy Maude Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Thank you for not being Woody Johnson:

    From the (evidently) unmoderated and unmerged Jets Insider forum - - they have two separate threads about how to get out of PSL's and how to defend against Woody Johnson when he sues them for it:

    Forfeiting PSL? - Jets Insider.com Forums


    Giving up PSL's? - Jets Insider.com Forums


    Evidently, alot of Jets fans are scared about their credit history being ruined because they want to bail out of a 30 year financial committment to their Little Lord Fauntleroy owner.




    In Patriots Nation we ask "What the hell is a PSL?".

    We are blessed.
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    What is a PSL
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    shmessy Maude Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Exactly. We are all pretty damn fortunate.
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    I've been over there reading about the PSL problems. I don't wish that crap on anyone, even Jets fans.

    The thing that I've never understood is how do Jets fans share the seats with the Giants fans that also owns the seats. What if Elvis really didn't die and wanted to do a breakout concert there? Who get's the first choice for the seat, the Giants fan of the Jets fan?
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    Giants fans, of course. Their team has at least won something since the fall of Saigon.
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    I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would ever agree to buy PSLs. It doesn't make sense on any level - I'm as diehard as most, but that's way too much of a commitment.
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    Same as the time share thing. All inclusive resort, you drink a lot, the weather is nice and you're in a good mood. But you're just not thinking right.

    People are emotionally attached to their sports teams.

    I went to Sabres game last year in the lower bowl with the ticket at $90 a pop. It was my only game of the year. I looked around the crowd and realized that there is no way the fans--by the looks of them--should be able to afford $90 x 41 per ticket, and the season ticket base in the mid teens! A family needs to spend $6,000 for 2 people to buy season tix to the Sabres.

    Just insane.
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    One more thing. A sure way to get your PSL yanked in New England is to get thrown out of the stadium or else sell to someone (preferably an acquaintance who you know will drink too much and start a fight).

    But at a Jets game, such behavior is par for the course and will not get you thrown out.
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    Are there problems besides the fact that their team's bad and is likely going to be that way for a few years (at best)? Anyone stupid enough to think that the model the Jets were using during their "good" years was sustainable would've been separated from their money one way or another, so I'm really not feeling too bad about that.
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    I'm surprised the justice system isn't involved in some of these PSL scams. I mean how would you react if you paid thousands of dollars per year for 30 years, upgraded over the years as your finances get better to the ideal seats? And then you get something in the mail saying btw, if you want to keep those seats it's going to be triple of what your paying now plus we want a one time fee for each ticket upwards of 10,000 per seat.

    "Oh, what's that? You are not going to pay these prices? Well here are your new seats sir/mam, these nosebleeds are still have a really nice view of the game. Enjoy the rest of retirement."
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    (.....face palm.......)

    Dude, pay attention to the subject of this thread.

    There are no PSL's at Gillette.
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    I clicked on the JI link and got a popup window with the following text:

    This site is blocked.
    Forfeiting PSL? - Jets Insider.com Forums
    An unacceptable security risk is posed by this site.
    McAfee Security Rating: Red​

    McAfee knows things.

    Regards,
    Chris
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    I know that.

    I meant season tickets.
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    You must have MacAfee Moron Block 2.0!

    It blocks all Jets content.
    plus anything said by any Ravens player,
    plus all of the "Brady has lost it" threads on here

    good move!
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    I must admit I agree with the OP we are lucky not to have these PSLs heaped on us and Thank You Mr. Kraft for not doing it to us.

    But to play devils advocate a little, and keep in mind I dont think this out wieghs the cost, but from what I have heard you do not buy PSLs but rather your basically putting a down payment as you are entitled to the money back when your time is up. And I also believe that with the PSLs you then are not subject to scalping laws and can sell your ticket for whatever price you can get for it.

    Again I am not saying this makes it right but I think alot of people especially those like us that dont have to deal with them dont realize this.

    Am I wrong about this? Like I said we dont have em hear so my knowledge is very limited on this subject.
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    No, still see those, unfortunately. :bricks:

    Regards,
    Chris
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    I don't think you get money back. Most teams have a mechanism for owners to sell the PSLs to others at whatever cost you can get (minus a transaction fee the team receives, of course, plus approval by the team). Very similar to the ticket exchange teams now offer.

    Regards,
    Chris
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    Well, if you take out a loan with a 30 year payment plan, and then decide not to make the payments, I really have a hard time feeling much sympathy for you. And that's got nothing to do with the fact that they are Jets fans.
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    The PSL only guarantees your seats for that team's home games, not every event that takes place in the stadium. So if Elvis and the reunited Beatles gave a concert there, your PSL would be worthless in trying to get ticket.

    Now, conveniently enough, if Carrot Top performed a concert there, then the team would try to make you feel special and that you are getting an "exclusive offer as a PSL holder" to get tickets.
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    The Patriots don't have PSLs but make no mistake: If they did, they would have sold every single one of them.
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    You don't have it exactly correct. Buying a PSL gives you the right and the obligation to buy season tickets to that team's home games. (When I say you have the obligation to buy the season tickets, what I mean is that if you don't pay for your season tickets one year, you'll forfeit the PSL back to the team). As I mentioned in a previous post, having a team's PSL's gives you no rights to other events at the stadium.

    When you want to get rid of your PSL, you can sell it to other fans for whatever amount they are willing to pay you. The team does not buy them back from you, nor do they at any time reimburse you for your purchase. You are not entitled to getting that money back and once the stadium you bought the PSLs in is gone, then so is your PSL (as the good folks in St. Louis are discovering).

    Similarly, if you want to buy PSL's you can go to any number of marketplaces and make that purchase. So if you have the cash, you can be a season ticket holder tomorrow for the Steelers, Eagles, Ravens, Giants or Jets. Whereas if you want to be a STHer for the Patriots, good luck getting those anytime between now and 2035.

    Owning a PSL has nothing to do with scalping laws, although considering there are something like only 4 states left in the country that actually have scalping laws (none of which actually enforce those laws) then I wouldn't worry about that.
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    It depends on the stadium. I know that many PSL's give you first dibs on any event held in the stadium.
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    Such as whom? Please name one such team.

    Fact is not a single team in the NFL gives their regular PSL's holders first dibs on every event held in the stadium. Club seats and luxury box holders are a different story, but your regular PSL holders get no special privileges to premium events. Now don't get me wrong.... Like I said earlier, when Carrot Top comes to town, the PSL holders will get "Special Access" before the rest of the population. But when an event that people actually want to see comes, your generic PSL gets you squat.
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    can someone in the kings english tell me what psls are? personal seat license?
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    Tennessee Titans | Tickets | Season Tickets

    The Titans for one, but many more. The Ravens for instance do it on an ad hoc basis, no guarantees for all events, but they promise some.

    Check this out: 3 Dallas Cowboys PSL Lower Level Section 216 Row 8 | eBay
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    Yes, though some teams have other names like PSO's (personal seat options) or some other such nonsense.
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    Most Jets fans have reason to question Woody's desire to win football games ... can any Pats fan say the same about Kraft? He is a homegrown fan, genuinely wants the team to win, and uses his shrewd business sense in areas that improve his team product and the NFL in general, while leaving the most important football decisions to quality NFL personnel guys. You can't ask for more from an NFL owner.
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    Always liked Kraft. Used to talk with him on the sidelines at Smithfield training camp. Or maybe he was just chatting up my wife...
    Anyhow, back in the late 90s I got wicked pissed interpreting Kraft's remarks wanting to "stay competitive year after year" as indicating he'd settle for a team that was competitive in the race to make the playoffs but not indicating a desire to win it all. I grossly misinterpreted Bobby's quest for excellence, never mind dominance.
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    Sorry, but you're simply wrong. There are zero such teams, including the Titans. "Advance purchase of all events at LP Field" does not mean guaranteed seating. It means they give the PSL holders an advance code to log in to TicketMaster (for instance) early, but it most definitely does NOT mean you get guaranteed access to those same seats for any event you want.

    Believe it or not, I have a copy of the Titans PSL contract right here in my hands and Paragraph 1, section b. states:

    "The Permanent Seat License shall not apply to any events that may be held in the stadium other than Team Games" (and then goes on to essentially say "unless the promoter approves it.")

    My friend, I used to be in this business (which is why I happen to have a copy of the Titans PSL contract in my files). You just really don't have a leg to stand on here. Not one single team in the NFL gives their PSL holders guaranteed seats to every event in the stadium (club seats and luxury boxes are another matter, but I'm talking about general admission PSLs).
    That's kind of the point I'm making. When the NCAA LaCrosse Championships are played in M&T Bank Stadium, any PSL holder that wants seats can take 'em. But if a real event ever took place, forget about it.
    You're using an eBay listing to try to support your point? Really?!? :rofl:

    Gee, I can't find a Craigslist ad that backs me up, so I'll just have to settle for this screen grab directly from the Cowboys website:

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