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  1. Willie55

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    As I suspected, it appears Branch and Chayut were caught completly off-guard. From Pro Football Talk:

     
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    Like most folks, I'm pretty sure Branch wil resign and stay a Pat a little while longer.

    The one thing I wasn't too up on were statistical differences between Branch and Reggie Wayne, to whom Branch compares himself.

    Statistically of course, Reggie Wayne's stats are FAR superior to Branch's in every category.

    I understand there are intangibles that do make true evaluation impossible i.e....styles of offense played in, playoff performances, clutch play. Super Bowl MVPs...etc.

    But in this case the basic stats can't an shouldn't be ignored because it gives a good snapshot of projected future production and durability issues

    That being said, I think the Pats offer was more than fair and there's no way Branch should be paid similarly to Wayne.

    See below:

    http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302177

    http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235256
     
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    I know this has been beaten to death up, down and sideways, but what the hey: Say the "impossible" happened and Minnesota offered a No. 1 for Branch, or someone else comes up with acceptable trade compensation and a deal is consummated. THAT STILL LEAVES US WITHOUT BRANCH'S SERVICES this season, a void we are unlikely to fill otherwise. It boggles my mind that BB feels OK about possibly going through 2006 with the WR corps as presently constituted. There is NO WAY Belipioli could have entered into this without acknowledging the very real possibility that Branch may not play for New England again.
     
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    ya know will, after i read this this morning, i was amazed at how bad this relationship is. the guy just has no clue on how to deal with the Pats FO.
     
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    What are Reggie Wayne's statistics on Super Bowl trophies?

    I think Patriot fans will rue the day they were too cheap to pay the stud to go out and do his thing.
     
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    Had Wayne had the chance to play for the Pats, it's possible he could have had 2 or 3 trophies.
     
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    i have a question - everyone thinks the pats would want a number 1. If they want a number 1 doesnt that kinda validate branch and his agent about his value as a 1st round draft trade player and wont branch's agent turn around and say if you cant trade for less than a number 1 then pay him like it ?
     
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    Why are people so concerned? What has the offense done over the first 3 pre-season games that has folks worried?

    We also haven't seen what Jackson has to offer, yet. Hopefully we see it soon.

    Averaging over 400 yards of offense through the pre season isn't bad.
     
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    Hmmmm. Thats a good point.
     
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    Of course the other side of that argument is if Deion is asking to be paid like a #1 then whey can't we seek the same amount of compensation in return?
     
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    I believe that BB has already thought about DB not playing and will bring in another WR to fill out the roster either by trade or waiver wire. I heard from talk radio and from this forum how the Pats will not make it to the SB. This is all because of not having one person, I mean Deion is good but not all world. As long as we have #12 back there, they will be succesful. Name one team within our conference who has a better QB, better RB tadem, and OL along with the best DL,......none. They have a plan and if they can win a Super Bowl in 01 with Troy Brown, David Patten, they can do it again.
     
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    Were we to "pay the stud" - how do you then propose we deal with the line of players at BB's door looking to renegotiate their contracts while they are still under contract just like Deion?

    Evidently you do not realize that we DID offer Deion a very decent deal and he turned it down. Didn't even counter...now why is that dude?

    Tell me, exactly how much should we pay him? TO or Reggie Wayne money like he wants?

    Tell me how the Patriots are "cheap".....the more I think about your response the more I think you have no clue.
     
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    Well, if you look at 2005 they're almost exactly the same. And if you factor in postseason performances Branch is better. And fantasy football is not the same as real football, despite how stat-conscious current fans have become. We're not talking about baseball here. And if Tom Brady says Deion is as good as any receiver in the NFL, and he has on several occasions, I believe him more than I do you.
     
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    Deion has to play at a reasonable price to have any chance to re-sign Graham. I'd rather have Graham if I had to pay a stud.
     
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    My thoughts on PFT's piece
    1.) If true, then the idea that the Patriots allowed Chayut to shop for a deal in return for his client returning on September 2nd has been severely undercut.
    2.) Randy Moss was traded for the 7th overall pick, Napoleon Harris, and a 7th round pick. Is the difference between an 28-year old Randy Moss and a 27 year old Branch truly just Napoleon Harris and a 7th round pick??
    3.) 1500 points pretty much eliminates any team that thinks that they are going to the playoffs. The 21st pick is worth 800 points.
    4.) Just when I thought that Chayut could have not mishandled this negotiations any worse, I read this.
     
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    I still think the only team that will consider this trade will be a team that
    thinks it could go all the way this season if it just had a WR of Branch's
    quality.
    Why would a team give up a lots of its draft next year for Branch if it still
    had big question marks besides a WR?

    Teams considering this move have only one week to considering all the
    possible implications of such a move.
    For example ... Vikes. Sure they need a WR. But would Branch assure them a SB win this year? I doubt it. So if they did it .... they
    would have a much lesser draft to address needs next off season
    while they might be able to pick up in FA WR next offseason that could
    have solve their problem.
    It is these kinda of "What IF"s that will drive a lot of GM's crazy for a week.

    But what team really is that close and all they need is Branch?

    Eagles? Maybe? But that organization doesn't seem to be one to move
    quickly ... like in one week.
    Also it is late in the preseaon and leaves little time for branch to develop
    timing with their QB. Then they might ask, Is Branch good because of the System and the time he and Brady have been working together. So it may
    take a month or so to get Branch and his new QB in sync.

    What about Denver? That's a possibility. But if the trade Value has to be
    1500 points ... I think that would be unacceptable plus that would mean
    two high priced WRs on their payrole?
    Seahawks are a possiblility and I could see the Branch and Hasselbeck
    duo working well together. With Branch that offense could be very good.

    If Branch goes, my guess is it will be to a team that could go all the
    way this year and one the PATs may have to beat in the post season.
    But it will be a big gamble for that team. Imagine the irony if that is
    the reason they did it and the PATs beat them in the playoffs. :D

    There just seems to many questions to do this thing in one week at this
    time prior to the seaon.
     
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    a) A 1st rounder gets paid about 1.5 million a year, not 8 million.

    b) Chad Jackson will get healthy around September 24 and catch 17 passes this year.
     
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    Like SMG93 said,

    It is more the Pats saying "Well sense you think you should be worth 8 mil a year, then you should also garner a 1st round pick!"
     
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    That's what worried me.

    If there is any truth to this, then most likely no agreement of Branch's return is in place.

    We still may not see Deion till week 10!

    I am really hoping they find the market for his services isn't as high as he hoped, and just think the best is to get back (or in this case, start) negotiating a longterm deal.
     
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