* Ye 2011 Mock Draft Thread!! *

[Off The Grid]

Binkies of the Past

My BOY, Joique Bell, just got cut by his 3rd team, already, after going UFA, this Spring.

JB, for those of you who don't remember, saw his Stock go into Free Fall, after a "40" time at the Combine that was so slow that 3 witnesses claimed he was actually drifting backwards!!

Joique Bell will never win any 40 Yard Dashes...But he is a classic Hard Yard Masher who commands an explosive Burst, exceptional Lateral Velocity, and outstanding Processing Speed. He makes One Cut and Blasts it.

What's really shocking, though, is his Elusiveness. But it shouldn't be: He CRUSHED on the Short Shuttle and the Cones.

He may not rip off any 80 Yard High Light Reel Tapes...but 5 and 10 yards at a time, he will DESTROY the enemy.

He is...The Brandon Spikes of the 2010 Running Back Class.

***

I would make it a PRIORITY to sign Joique Bell.

Hell, we could even start him off as a second Full Back, behind Owen Marecic. He is a ferocious Blocker, he can catch the ball, and having a Full Back on the field who can either provide exceptional Pass Blocking, bruising Lead Blocking, or take the ball and consistently tear 5 Yards out'f the enemy, would be a tremendous Weapon, indeed.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Binkies of the Past

My BOY, Joique Bell, just got cut by his 3rd team, already, after going UFA, this Spring.

Ok, but that brings up the question "why does he keep getting cut"?

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Ok, but that brings up the question "why does he keep getting cut"?

He isn't a player and he is never going to be a special teams demon.

 

[Off The Grid]

Binkies of the Past

My BOY, Joique Bell, just got cut by his 3rd team, already, after going UFA, this Spring.

JB, for those of you who don't remember, saw his Stock go into Free Fall, after a "40" time at the Combine that was so slow that 3 witnesses claimed he was actually drifting backwards!!

Joique Bell will never win any 40 Yard Dashes...But he is a classic Hard Yard Masher who commands an explosive Burst, exceptional Lateral Velocity, and outstanding Processing Speed. He makes One Cut and Blasts it.

What's really shocking, though, is his Elusiveness. But it shouldn't be: He CRUSHED on the Short Shuttle and the Cones.

He may not rip off any 80 Yard High Light Reel Tapes...but 5 and 10 yards at a time, he will DESTROY the enemy.

He is...The Brandon Spikes of the 2010 Running Back Class.

***

I would make it a PRIORITY to sign Joique Bell.

Hell, we could even start him off as a second Full Back, behind Owen Marecic. He is a ferocious Blocker, he can catch the ball, and having a Full Back on the field who can either provide exceptional Pass Blocking, bruising Lead Blocking, or take the ball and consistently tear 5 Yards out'f the enemy, would be a tremendous Weapon, indeed.

Ok, but that brings up the question "why does he keep getting cut"?

Of course it does.

And the answer is: Because the world is full of fools.

 

[Mark Morse]

OTG,

Great analysis ... lots of hard work here.

Here are my thoughts ...

Kerrigan is going 1st round.

Too many "Flankers" on your list.

I think the Pats go for WR's Jerrel Jernigan (Troy) and/or Greg Little (UNC) in the 2nd 3rd rounds.

Slow 40 times mean UDFA. Look at Gary Guyton, he blew away the combine with his 40 and he still didn't get drafted because he didn't have a position.

Look for Auburn OG Lee Ziemba (2nd team All American) with over 50 consecutive starts in the SEC (not the 51 starts that Castanzo got in the ACC)

 

[Snake Eyes]

Of course it does.

And the answer is: Because the world is full of fools.

His 40 was between 4.6 - 4.7, faster than Emmit Smith's. I wouldnt mind looking at some footage of him, perhaps his processing speed isnt that good or his feel for the holes, very interesting.

 

[Off The Grid]

OTG,

Great analysis ... lots of hard work here.

Here are my thoughts ...

Kerrigan is going 1st round.

Too many "Flankers" on your list.

I think the Pats go for WR's Jerrel Jernigan (Troy) and/or Greg Little (UNC) in the 2nd 3rd rounds.

Slow 40 times mean UDFA. Look at Gary Guyton, he blew away the combine with his 40 and he still didn't get drafted because he didn't have a position.

Look for Auburn OG Lee Ziemba (2nd team All American) with over 50 consecutive starts in the SEC (not the 51 starts that Castanzo got in the ACC)

Thanks for the kind word, Sir.

I'm sure 99.999% here would agree that there are FAR too many Flankers in my Mock.

Of course: You know my Rationale...And it HAS stood the test of time.

Not sure why you suggest that slow "40" times means UFA.

For one thing, I'm obviously acutely aware of its deleterious affect on Draft Stock, as I in fact mentioned it on this very page, regarding Joique Bell, who's FootBall Speed is far and AWAY faster that his "40" Speed.

For another...Did you say "slow "40" times mean UDFA"??

Have you ever heard of Brandon Spikes??

 

[jsull87]

Binkies of the Past

My BOY, Joique Bell, just got cut by his 3rd team, already, after going UFA, this Spring.

JB, for those of you who don't remember, saw his Stock go into Free Fall, after a "40" time at the Combine that was so slow that 3 witnesses claimed he was actually drifting backwards!!

Joique Bell will never win any 40 Yard Dashes...But he is a classic Hard Yard Masher who commands an explosive Burst, exceptional Lateral Velocity, and outstanding Processing Speed. He makes One Cut and Blasts it.

What's really shocking, though, is his Elusiveness. But it shouldn't be: He CRUSHED on the Short Shuttle and the Cones.

He may not rip off any 80 Yard High Light Reel Tapes...but 5 and 10 yards at a time, he will DESTROY the enemy.

He is...The Brandon Spikes of the 2010 Running Back Class.

***

I would make it a PRIORITY to sign Joique Bell.

Hell, we could even start him off as a second Full Back, behind Owen Marecic. He is a ferocious Blocker, he can catch the ball, and having a Full Back on the field who can either provide exceptional Pass Blocking, bruising Lead Blocking, or take the ball and consistently tear 5 Yards out'f the enemy, would be a tremendous Weapon, indeed.

I know the grass is always greener... But what is wrong with Sammy Morris as a FB who also hits the hole hard? He has been great on special teams and has made key blocks in both the run and return game. I would have thought we have a known commodity in sammy already who is a veteran and is playin well at FB? I am all for bringing guys into camp for competition but i think we have a pretty good FB now

 

[jsull87]

Thanks for the kind word, Sir.

I'm sure 99.999% here would agree that there are FAR too many Flankers in my Mock.

Of course: You know my Rationale...And it HAS stood the test of time.

Not sure why you suggest that slow "40" times means UFA.

For one thing, I'm obviously acutely aware of its deleterious affect on Draft Stock, as I in fact mentioned it on this very page, regarding Joique Bell, who's FootBall Speed is far and AWAY faster that his "40" Speed.

For another...Did you say "slow "40" times mean UDFA"??

Have you ever heard of Brandon Spikes??

Yeah but as you heard during draft analysis theree were teams that didn't have spikes on their board because of that time... BB was just smarter and his system allows for less speed at ILB for the Teddy Bruschi Role.

 

[Off The Grid]

I know the grass is always greener... But what is wrong with Sammy Morris as a FB who also hits the hole hard? He has been great on special teams and has made key blocks in both the run and return game. I would have thought we have a known commodity in sammy already who is a veteran and is playin well at FB? I am all for bringing guys into camp for competition but i think we have a pretty good FB now

Dude.

There is NO bigger Sammy Morris fan in all of NEW ENGLAND, than I.

But he IS 846 years OLD.

Just sayin.

 

[Off The Grid]

OTG,

Great analysis ... lots of hard work here.

Here are my thoughts ...

Kerrigan is going 1st round.

Too many "Flankers" on your list.

I think the Pats go for WR's Jerrel Jernigan (Troy) and/or Greg Little (UNC) in the 2nd 3rd rounds.

Slow 40 times mean UDFA. Look at Gary Guyton, he blew away the combine with his 40 and he still didn't get drafted because he didn't have a position.

Look for Auburn OG Lee Ziemba (2nd team All American) with over 50 consecutive starts in the SEC (not the 51 starts that Castanzo got in the ACC)

Thanks for the kind word, Sir.

I'm sure 99.999% here would agree that there are FAR too many Flankers in my Mock.

Of course: You know my Rationale...And it HAS stood the test of time.

Not sure why you suggest that slow "40" times means UFA.

For one thing, I'm obviously acutely aware of its deleterious affect on Draft Stock, as I in fact mentioned it on this very page, regarding Joique Bell, who's FootBall Speed is far and AWAY faster that his "40" Speed.

For another...Did you say "slow "40" times mean UDFA"??

Have you ever heard of Brandon Spikes??

Yeah but as you heard during draft analysis theree were teams that didn't have spikes on their board because of that time... BB was just smarter and his system allows for less speed at ILB for the Teddy Bruschi Role.

What's your point?

That Spikes DID go UFA??

That he WASN'T drafted in the 2nd Round??

Because if you're trying to defend that "Slow 40 times mean UDFA." bit, you are duly advised to reconsider.

 

[jsull87]

What's your point?

That Spikes DID go UFA??

That he WASN'T drafted in the 2nd Round??

Because if you're trying to defend that "Slow 40 times mean UDFA." bit, you are duly advised to reconsider.

I think your missing the point entirely. My point was slow 40 times are a red flag that drop people down draft boards (Spikes)... you used an example yourself in that RB who you like but had a slow 40 time and was then picked as a UDFA... So i don't get where i am wrong here or should reconsider.

 

[Off The Grid]

What's your point?

That Spikes DID go UFA??

That he WASN'T drafted in the 2nd Round??

Because if you're trying to defend that "Slow 40 times mean UDFA." bit, you are duly advised to reconsider.

I think your missing the point entirely. My point was slow 40 times are a red flag that drop people down draft boards (Spikes)... you used an example yourself in that RB who you like but had a slow 40 time and was then picked as a UDFA... So i don't get where i am wrong here or should reconsider.

No offense, Bro, but it is you who is missing the point, entirely:

1 ~ The guy makes the ~ again: no offense ~ ridiculous assertion that "Slow 40 times mean UDFA".

2 ~ I respond by reminding him of our OWN 2nd Rounder ~ who was FAMOUS for his slow "40" ~ to illustrate how utterly insane his claim was.

3 ~ And, now you seem to be ~ inexplicably ~ defending his position.

The fact that slow "40" times drops people down draft boards ~ something I made note of on this very page before either of you chimed in to enlighten me ~ is so universally obvious that it doesn't require mention...And even if it did, it in NO way supports the ludicrous statement that "Slow times mean UDFA".

2nd Round...is not UDFA.

We do...agree...on that...right??

Can we please move on from this unfathomable side subject??

 

[ZoisKing]

I'm looking forward to the Raiders losing out and getting us back into the top ten in draft positioning. I'm going to say we end up picking eighth. That's close to the ceiling capable on that pick's positioning. It also puts us out of range, most likely, on the guys we really want (i.e., Bowers, Peterson).

However, it also allows us to move back from that spot and add another value pick.

Kerrigan is a guy I've grown fonder of as the season has gone on, and a number of mocks have him available around pick 14. According to the draft value chart, moving down those six spots would warrant the 60th pick. So moving down gets us our OLB prospect and leaves us with a total of 3 seconds.

That extra 2nd could also allow us to move UP in the draft, when combined with our 32nd pick, to around 18 or 19, according to the value chart. That positioning could get us into the thick of things with the top offensive line players. Or we could stay put and hold on to that extra lottery pick.

 

[Mark Morse]

What's your point?

That Spikes DID go UFA??

That he WASN'T drafted in the 2nd Round?? Because if you're trying to defend that "Slow 40 times mean UDFA." bit, you are duly advised to reconsider. /QUOTE]

Good point on Spikes, but he is the exception rather than the rule on speed vs draft position. If he had speed, Spikes would have been a sure fire 1st round pick. BTW, the jury is still out on Spikes. His lack of speed means that he can't cover any back out of the backfiled. He is strictly a run stuffer on 1st and 2nd down. Opponents have already caught on to his lack of speed and were throwing at him on 1st and 2nd downs.

No comment on my binkie Ziemba?

 

[jsull87]

No offense, Bro, but it is you who is missing the point, entirely:

1 ~ The guy makes the ~ again: no offense ~ ridiculous assertion that "Slow 40 times mean UDFA".

2 ~ I respond by reminding him of our OWN 2nd Rounder ~ who was FAMOUS for his slow "40" ~ to illustrate how utterly insane his claim was.

3 ~ And, now you seem to be ~ inexplicably ~ defending his position.

The fact that slow "40" times drops people down draft boards ~ something I made note of on this very page before either of you chimed in to enlighten me ~ is so universally obvious that it doesn't require mention...And even if it did, it in NO way supports the ludicrous statement that "Slow times mean UDFA".

2nd Round...is not UDFA.

We do...agree...on that...right??

Can we please move on from this unfathomable side subject??

Yes i understand and i didn't say slow 40 times = UDFA

What i said was that many 4-3 teams (reportedly) had spikes as an UDFA because of his 40 time. That was all i was saying i was giving one instance where it hurt the guys draft stock. I then said well done to BB for knowing better and looking beyond the 40 time.

I honestly can't even remember how this started

 

[jsull87]

Anyway back to the Subject of Mock's.

I have been putting in some thought and i really think this D is that blue chip pass rusher away from being truely great. I always get tripped up later in these mocks because i really only see 3 positions in need of some immediate addressing OLB, Interior Line and OT. This Mock assumes we sign light but doesn't really assume anything about Neal and Mankins i think one or both might be gone. I am hoping Mankins Stays though.

1a.) Robert Quinn 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB

He provides the unquestionable athletic ability and Pass rush that this D is missing and in my opinion is the final piece to this defense's retooling. Stick him opposite cunningham on passing downs with wright and pryor in the middle and let them go at it.

1b.) J. J. Watt DE 3-4

After Olb A solid young true 3-4 de would be great to create some interior pass rush. Hopefully Watt is the answer here. Although i know we have some good young talent at the position. I don't think thats any reason to not stock up the defensive front. If he pans out like we'd all hope it's set this defense up for years

2a.) Stephen Wisniewski C

Would like someone in there to be fighting Koppen/Connely for a starting spot and if not beating them out at least providing some depth on the line. Hopefully he can turn out for the pats as well as maukice pouncey did for Pit.


2b.) Trading Up using our 6th. OT Joseph Barksdale LSU

Another Olineman to protect Brady and develop behind Light and Vollmer. If you don't like him personally then insert your OT prospect here. But I think a good young tackle to hopefully compete with Kakzur is a good thing.

Now from this point on my mock differs a little bit from some others i am trading one of our 3rd's for a 2012 2nd and our of our 4th for a 2012 3rd. leaving us with 3rd (vikings) 5th,7th

3.) DeMarco Murray, RB, Oklahoma

In alot of drafts Murray has slipped but i think he would be good value here and this pick is predicated upon Fred Taylor moving on. I could have gone CB here.

5.) Tim Barnes, C Missouri or DE - Sam Acho - Texas

Another late round value pick who has been projected from round 3-5 so if we can get him here it's nice value... another body for the interior line

or

A Pass Rush Specialist - I really couldn't bare another season of seeing kyle Arrington coming off the edge. Acho has dropped down alot of boards but i hear he is still considered a good athlete with some pash rushing ability. Once again if you don't like him per se insert your pass rush binky here.

7.) Mcelroy QB Alabama

Lower round prospect smart kid and hopefully can be groomed behind tom and be another late round gem

I didn't pick up any CB's or Safety because i think with the talent we have already at the position... we should be just fine if we keep the players we want in our existing secondary. Bodden will be back leaving our cb's as Bodden, McCourty, Butler, Arrington, Wilhite (pretty solid Group)

At Saftey we have Merriweather, Chung, Sanders, Page, McGowan and Brown to choose from.

I think the depth and youth at these positions is adequate enough not to need addressing this draft... then again bb could go saftey cb as his 1st 2 picks hahaha

I didn't address ILB because i think Mayo, Spikes, Guyton, Fletcher is a perfectly complimentary rotation for their skill sets.

At Wr this one is tricky... I could have Gone WR in round 3 instead of trading the pick away. But with the emergence of the TE's and still having Tate, Price, Edelman as the young WR's where Edelman and Price don't see many reps atm because of the TE's and Woodhead. I just didn't think it was necessary quite yet but i understand if someone differs.

So in total this leaves us with the positions filled of OLB (Hopefully a Stud), DE, C/G, OT, RB and late round QB.

Hope everyone thought the draft was ok

 

[cstjohn17]

Anyway back to the Subject of Mock's.

Hope everyone thought the draft was ok

I like it, but unlike you I put very little thought into this.

Assumptions
Light resigned, Mankins walks (I hope he stays)

1a.) Robert Quinn 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB

Lots of character concerns but he is quickly becoming my size/speed/potential binkie at OLB.

1b.) Cameron Jordan, DE, California
Experience in a 3-4, player on the rise.

2a.) Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
Not as good as his brother but should be an above average G with ability to backup at Center.

2b.) Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois
Big strong runner, creates a solid power tandem with BJGE.

3a.) Aaron Williams, DB, Texas

I am looking for a FS in this spot, Williams is a CB but I would shift him to be the 4th CB and 2nd FS. When Merriweather leaves he would take over.

3b.) Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami

Really BPA at this point, a WR that can 'stretch' the field can't hurt

All of a sudden the front seven for the next several years looks like:

----ROLB - Cunningham, TBC
--------RILB - Mayo
RDE - Jordan, Wright,
NT - Wilfork, Brace
LDE - Warren, Pryror
-------LILB - Spikes, Guyton, Fletcher
----LOLB - Quinn, Ninko, etc.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I like it, but unlike you I put very little thought into this.

Assumptions
Light resigned, Mankins walks (I hope he stays)

1a.) Robert Quinn 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB

Lots of character concerns but he is quickly becoming my size/speed/potential binkie at OLB.

1b.) Cameron Jordan, DE, California
Experience in a 3-4, player on the rise.

2a.) Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
Not as good as his brother but should be an above average G with ability to backup at Center.

2b.) Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois
Big strong runner, creates a solid power tandem with BJGE.

3a.) Aaron Williams, DB, Texas

I am looking for a FS in this spot, Williams is a CB but I would shift him to be the 4th CB and 2nd FS. When Merriweather leaves he would take over.

3b.) Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami

Really BPA at this point, a WR that can 'stretch' the field can't hurt

All of a sudden the front seven for the next several years looks like:

----ROLB - Cunningham, TBC
--------RILB - Mayo
RDE - Jordan, Wright,
NT - Wilfork, Brace
LDE - Warren, Pryror
-------LILB - Spikes, Guyton, Fletcher
----LOLB - Quinn, Ninko, etc.

If we can't get Dareus I want to trade back and grab Kerrigan (as opposed to Quinn) a little later in the first round, and amass picks for next year. While I'm intruiged by Alan Bailey he seems like he's too heavy to play OLB and too light to play DE.

So far these are the players I want in the draft.

Ryan Kerrigan

Mark Barron
Leonard Hankerson
Randall Cobb
Phil Taylor
Marcus Gilbert
Zane Taylor
Andrew Jackson
DaRel Scott
Owen Marecic
Andy Dalton

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Anyway back to the Subject of Mock's.

I have been putting in some thought and i really think this D is that blue chip pass rusher away from being truely great. I always get tripped up later in these mocks because i really only see 3 positions in need of some immediate addressing OLB, Interior Line and OT. This Mock assumes we sign light but doesn't really assume anything about Neal and Mankins i think one or both might be gone. I am hoping Mankins Stays though.

1a.) Robert Quinn 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB

He provides the unquestionable athletic ability and Pass rush that this D is missing and in my opinion is the final piece to this defense's retooling. Stick him opposite cunningham on passing downs with wright and pryor in the middle and let them go at it.

1b.) J. J. Watt DE 3-4

After Olb A solid young true 3-4 de would be great to create some interior pass rush. Hopefully Watt is the answer here. Although i know we have some good young talent at the position. I don't think thats any reason to not stock up the defensive front. If he pans out like we'd all hope it's set this defense up for years

2a.) Stephen Wisniewski C

Would like someone in there to be fighting Koppen/Connely for a starting spot and if not beating them out at least providing some depth on the line. Hopefully he can turn out for the pats as well as maukice pouncey did for Pit.


2b.) Trading Up using our 6th. OT Joseph Barksdale LSU

Another Olineman to protect Brady and develop behind Light and Vollmer. If you don't like him personally then insert your OT prospect here. But I think a good young tackle to hopefully compete with Kakzur is a good thing.

Now from this point on my mock differs a little bit from some others i am trading one of our 3rd's for a 2012 2nd and our of our 4th for a 2012 3rd. leaving us with 3rd (vikings) 5th,7th

3.) DeMarco Murray, RB, Oklahoma

In alot of drafts Murray has slipped but i think he would be good value here and this pick is predicated upon Fred Taylor moving on. I could have gone CB here.

5.) Tim Barnes, C Missouri or DE - Sam Acho - Texas

Another late round value pick who has been projected from round 3-5 so if we can get him here it's nice value... another body for the interior line

or

A Pass Rush Specialist - I really couldn't bare another season of seeing kyle Arrington coming off the edge. Acho has dropped down alot of boards but i hear he is still considered a good athlete with some pash rushing ability. Once again if you don't like him per se insert your pass rush binky here.

7.) Mcelroy QB Alabama

Lower round prospect smart kid and hopefully can be groomed behind tom and be another late round gem

I didn't pick up any CB's or Safety because i think with the talent we have already at the position... we should be just fine if we keep the players we want in our existing secondary. Bodden will be back leaving our cb's as Bodden, McCourty, Butler, Arrington, Wilhite (pretty solid Group)

At Saftey we have Merriweather, Chung, Sanders, Page, McGowan and Brown to choose from.

I think the depth and youth at these positions is adequate enough not to need addressing this draft... then again bb could go saftey cb as his 1st 2 picks hahaha

I didn't address ILB because i think Mayo, Spikes, Guyton, Fletcher is a perfectly complimentary rotation for their skill sets.

At Wr this one is tricky... I could have Gone WR in round 3 instead of trading the pick away. But with the emergence of the TE's and still having Tate, Price, Edelman as the young WR's where Edelman and Price don't see many reps atm because of the TE's and Woodhead. I just didn't think it was necessary quite yet but i understand if someone differs.

So in total this leaves us with the positions filled of OLB (Hopefully a Stud), DE, C/G, OT, RB and late round QB.

Hope everyone thought the draft was ok

No No No, just say no to Barksdale. He is a miserable candidate for OT in our offense. He would be an absolute flop in a zone blocking scheme. No read or recognition skills whatsoever. He needs to be in power scheme like Dallas, Oakland or Philly.