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    Bush Haters Are Kennedy Lovers:

    blub blub, gasp, gurgle
    Teddy come back, save me, please Teddy

    Yea though I walk through the valley of death I shall fear no evil.

    Kennedy Lovers Are Bush Haters
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    Clintons Kennedys (Will they ever go away)
     
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    Pathetic. At what point do the people take up arms, and demand their country back? City, state, and federal?
     
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    We won it back from the Party that needlessly caused the deaths of 4,000 American troops and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, while wasting hundreds of billions of dollars. We won it back through the Democratic process. In answer to your question, you take up arms against the Democratic process when you become a fascist. Perhaps you're already there, given that you never raised this question while our troops were needlessly dying overseas?
     
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    :rofl:

    Meet the new people, same as the old people.

    I love how certain people love the democratic process when it suits them. Of course, when the people vote for something that "we" don't like, that democratic process isn't worth as much, now is it?

    Meet the new people, same as the old people.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    Take up arms? Why weren't you saying that when king george was abusing more presidential powers than any in our history?
     
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    I like how you seem to want revolution after the guv spends millions on the Kennedy legacy, but never raised such extremist ideas when the guv spent hundreds of billions on a war you opposed that led to thousands of deaths of American troops and Iraqi civilians. I'm not sure what you're talking about if you imply that I have opposed the Democratic process in the past. I never called for a revolution.
     
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    From the article.....

    The spokesmen probably meant to say "Uncle Teddy was too busy trying to think up something to say to Mary Jo when they reunite, to request these earmarks himself". :rolleyes:

    Positively sickening.
     
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    I've ALWAYS been against the expanse of gubmit, and the burden placed on taxpayers. The bailout'S, and additional trillions in spending, coupled with the dire condition of the overall economy, has made me more pissed than ever before. When the state decides it's going to double tolls, while increasing sales, income, and gas taxes, not to mention any, and every fee in existence, am I wrong to get upset, when I read this?

    BTW, the bailouts span two administrations, not one. A republican administration, and a democratic administration. So this isn't about one, or the other. They both suck. It's why I keep saying meet the new people, same as the old people.
     
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    a drop in a bucket next to what the libbies did in viet nam........

    but the bottom line is that the goverment does not need to be shelling out in support of its own vanity...........this is not a partisan issue, both sides do the same thing

    I just wonder what happened to the whole idea that obama was any different from anyone else......he is just as partisan as the last guy, and just as wasteful

    still waiting for the 'change'
     
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    BTW, I use the phrase "take up arms" very, very loosely. I say it to reference the revolution, when people took up arms against tyranny. At "what point do we protest", doesn't sound as compelling. Saying "take up arms" makes the point more easily understood. I'm not advocating we shoot people when I say that.
     
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    Solid points, but more objectionable (at least to me), is the fact that Obama clearly appears to be using this crisis to drive his political agenda. I can give a pass to someone that is spending billions on bailouts if thef believe that what they are doing "will fix the crisis", which is (and should be) job one. Increasingly, That does not seem to be the case here. Obama is using this crisis to spearhead a political agenda. I find that particularly galling.

    Bush might have been panicky and band-aid the problem with this, which sucks, but at least it isn't calculated. That's not the case with Obama.

    Don't believe me? Just harken back to Rahm Emanuel in November, when he gave the game away with this observation:

    "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before. This is an opportunity…And this crisis provides the opportunity for us, as I would say, the opportunity to do things that you could not do before."

    There is a HUGE difference.
     
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    But, that's exactly what Reagan did. He used the Carter recession to justify the kinds of deregulation that haunt us today, to justify massive cuts to social programs, massive spending on the still largely pie in the sky star wars, etc. Bush II did the same thing, used the recession at the end of Clinton's term to justify income tax cuts, estate tax cuts, elimination of aid to programs that support abortion, increased spending on the military, and so on. Did those things gall you, too, or are you just galled because what goes around comes around?
     
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    No............. Those examples stated were parts of the solution (at least judged by those guys at the time), because they were part of a strategic plan to recover the economy.

    Billions in earmarks ARE not part of the any solution (clearly) on the onimbust bill. That is just one example.
     
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    Are you saying Reagan and Bush didn't sign budgets with earmarks? Is that your claim? Are you saying the earmarks in their budgets were justifiable and those in Obama's are not? Are you saying that everything they did, including record deficit spending (up until Obama) was all directed at economic recovery? I think you're on thin ground if you're making those claims. Of course, politicians justify their plans. Obama, to his credit, has not sought to justify the wasteful spending except to say that we need a budget, have more pressing problems, and must address the decades old earmark problem at a later time.
     
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    Not even CLOSE to the level Obama has/is/will continue.

    Watch the video, the master's dog is barking. ;)
     
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    So GW & Co. weren't taking advantage of the "security crisis" when they pushed for, and succeeded in invading Iraq, or passing the Patriot Act? While the specifics related to both are different, the general point is the same. Each administration, party, or pol, will use whatever means necessary to push their agenda forward. Some people point to "fear-mongering" as one way to describe this process. That's politics unfortunately, and just about everyone is guilty of this to varying extents. It's why I laugh at the "change" stuff. The only thing that changes is are the names of the crooks, and who our stolen money goes to. The process is always the same.
     
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    actually, the deregulation that haunts us today was signed in by clinton as the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act in 1999 whose legislation is directly tied into the banking problems of today. This legislation repealed the Glass-Steagall act of 1933

    reagan's deregulation was directly related to the savings and loan crisis of the late 1980's which has nothing to do with today's problems

    what is galling is that you have no freaking clue
     
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    same old patters........dems do everything right and repubs do everything wrong

    talk about blind love
     
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    That is a terrible example. The obvious goal in Iraq going in was "regime change", the fluffy crap about WMD and "UN Violations" was nonsense. The real goal was to insert a "pro-western" democracy (or something resembling it) in the heart of the ME, as a way to blunt the onslaught of of extremism, which led to 9-11.

    You can disagree with it the strategy, and complain about being lied too, ect.... But the bottom line was that was tactical maneuver in an overall strategy to keep us safe AFTER 9-11. Same with the Patriot Act, which is similar, insomuch that it was a response to a specific crisis. A "hawkish" response perhaps, but a response nonetheless.

    Bush did not go in with an agenda on Iraq or to push a far-reaching security act when he came in. Those were things he did in response to 9-11 in an effort bolster our national security. Totally different things. Sure, in hindsight, much discussion can go into whether they were good or bad responses, but they weren't specifically agenda driven.

    Obama, in order to push his socialist agenda NEEDS the capitalistic failures we're seeing in order to push his agenda through. Hence, all these little "missteps" that do NOTHING for the economy, but everything in increasing dependance on government entities in the private sector. He's "using" this crisis to push an agenda he CAME IN WITH.
     
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