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Yes, perhaps he can learn that new position along with the WR position.

No need, we have to look elsewhere for WRs, obviously.

One thing that worries me, Caserio better not become enamored with J Baldwin as a second round possibility.
 
Tate's not awful, but he has an uphill battle to fight if he's staying on the team. He's not beating Branch or Welker onto the roster. I highly doubt he's beating Price either, who is faster and more physical. DID you see him run those slants? Thats money right there. He's definitely part of the future.

As it stands Edelman and Tate are return specialists first and receivers second. If a new guy comes in and surpasses them at WR, think they compete for full-time return duties.
 
I'm thinking Steve Smith from Carolina, he HATES being there and wants out, maybe they try to get some value from him now as opposed to him being "injured" a good part of next year.



He does want out here and Carolina had no QB last year who could throw to anyone! He still had a lot left in the tank and just wants to win.
 
Price lacks the wheels to be a true deep threat

How do you know? Price was only active for 1 game and it was against the bills, the "full" offence wasn't even on the field, we had our backups at the time that Price was on the field. He never ran a deep route just slants route, and he showed a lot of promise. You should watch his college career highlights.
 
He does want out here and Carolina had no QB last year who could throw to anyone! He still had a lot left in the tank and just wants to win.

I'll take either Steve Smith at this point. We havent had a full WR corp since 07, Tate doesnt count.
 
How do you know? Price was only active for 1 game and it was against the bills, the "full" offence wasn't even on the field, we had our backups at the time that Price was on the field. He never ran a deep route just slants route, and he showed a lot of promise. You should watch his college career highlights.

That's the thing slants are more about quickness than speed. I belive Price ran a 4.41-4.45 40 time at the Combine. That's certainly not slow. But it's not typical of deep speed receivers either.
 
Price officially ran a 4.40. And looking at his college tape, he looks plenty fast.
 
Price officially ran a 4.40. And looking at his college tape, he looks plenty fast.

Even seeing him in some limit this year you can tell he's fast. Really fast. I'm holding out hope for Price, he was a rookie from Ohio after all, didn't expect to see much of him right away.
 
I think that we wrote this about Tate after last season.

Even seeing him in some limit this year you can tell he's fast. Really fast. I'm holding out hope for Price, he was a rookie from Ohio after all, didn't expect to see much of him right away.
 
Even seeing him in some limit this year you can tell he's fast. Really fast. I'm holding out hope for Price, he was a rookie from Ohio after all, didn't expect to see much of him right away.

And Wes Welker ran what a 4.6? Playing WR is not all about speed. You have to be able to create separation and that is where Tate is having problems. He has to sharpen his routes and run the correct route otherwise Brady will treat him like Chad Jr.
 
That's the thing slants are more about quickness than speed. I belive Price ran a 4.41-4.45 40 time at the Combine. That's certainly not slow. But it's not typical of deep speed receivers either.

Is there a distinction between "deep speed receivers" and guys who simply work the deep zones effectively out of the X and Z spots? Brandon Marshall, for instance, ran a 4.54 at his Combine (probably part of why he dropped to the 4th round). But, of course, he's tall. He also doesn't seem to be particularly effective except for working the sidelines and the deep zones.

Anyway, it might be worth it to do a through breakdown of all the current NFL receivers we could legitimately quantify as being effective working deep and then list their 40 times (and, probably, height), to really measure any correlations (as opposed to simply relying on "common wisdom"). I'm wondering what percentage of them actually ran better than, say, 4.45.
 
Actually, Sanchez has three who are capable of that, as Holmes, Cotchery and Edwards have all demonstrated, one way or another. Brady needs more than just one. If Sanchez gets himself a really good slot guy and a second TE who can catch (and learns how to use them), the Jets offense is only going to get more dangerous - to go along with their defense.

Except the problem is these guys were traded in the last years of their contracts and will now want to get paid. It seems highly unlikely they will keep both of those knuckleheads and Cotchery. (All are FA and will want to get paid).

Likewise, that will also mean several of their defensive players will walk and they have traded away picks with nobody in the pipeline except Gholston.

Also, the money thing will change if the 18 game schedule is adopted since the cap will be higher but there will be more players and a rookie cap.
 
Fitz is an absolute monster and he is very respectable off the field....the only problem is he costs too much, what was it 18 mil? That's not usually in the Pats price range.

I play too much madden and don't reallllly understand how contracts work in the NFL, BUT correct me if i'm wrong in saying that arizona will have to pick up Fitz's bonus?

Personally, I love Julio Jones (primarily due to his HS highlight real on youtube), but I don't think it is necessary to trade up for a WR. From what ive read, the draft is absurdly deep at a lot of positions, one of which is WR.

Although I'm not a huge fan of McShay, he did a nice segment on players who's stock is rising...one of the players was Lester Jean from FAU. He's 6'3'' 200 lbs and gets off the line, as Marshawn Lynch would say, "stupid fast." He got a lot of attention in the Shrine Game. Also this last season when they played texas he beat Aaron Williams (6th CB w/ an 86 rating on ESPN) for 2 TDs. Its worth listening for this guy over the next few months
 
Bonuses for players under contract, paid before the effective date of the switch of teams, does not move to the new team. Thus if a player has a $5M signing bonus and a $1M salary, the new team would only be responsible for the bonus.



I play too much madden and don't reallllly understand how contracts work in the NFL, BUT correct me if i'm wrong in saying that arizona will have to pick up Fitz's bonus?

Personally, I love Julio Jones (primarily due to his HS highlight real on youtube), but I don't think it is necessary to trade up for a WR. From what ive read, the draft is absurdly deep at a lot of positions, one of which is WR.

Although I'm not a huge fan of McShay, he did a nice segment on players who's stock is rising...one of the players was Lester Jean from FAU. He's 6'3'' 200 lbs and gets off the line, as Marshawn Lynch would say, "stupid fast." He got a lot of attention in the Shrine Game. Also this last season when they played texas he beat Aaron Williams (6th CB w/ an 86 rating on ESPN) for 2 TDs. Its worth listening for this guy over the next few months
 
Bonuses for players under contract, paid before the effective date of the switch of teams, does not move to the new team. Thus if a player has a $5M signing bonus and a $1M salary, the new team would only be responsible for the bonus.

And, as further clarification, any bonus due on the first day of a league year also stays with the old team (this happened with Vrabel in 2009).
 
Vincent Jackson via free agency. Obviously things have to be sorted out with Mankins, Light, etc., but he's the guy that really fits everything we are looking for.

Fitzgerald would be awesome, but you have to give up at least a 1st and a 3rd AND then ensure he's locked up long term with big money. V-Jax you could just open the checkbook and hold onto the draft picks.

It's kind of like baseball: do you trade for Johan Santana and give up some of your top prospects AND sign him to a huge extension? Or do you just wait on Sabathia, a similar talent, and sign him as a free agent, giving him a huge deal but keeping all your prospects? I'd go for option #2.

V-Jax has the size/strength/length at 6'5 230 to get off jams in press coverage vs guys like Cromartie and Revis. He won't just pack it in like Randy did.

He has the height to beat out guys like Revis who are 5'10 or 5'11 on jump balls. He also has 3 inches on a guy like Cromartie.

He is built like a TE and will work over the middle of the field. 6'5 and 230 pounds - aka he won't work strictly outside the numbers like Moss did. He will run crossing routes and dig routes, and he won't short arm balls over the middle. The Chargers even moved him into the slot at times to force the defense to adjust -- unlike the Colts did with Wayne.

Although he is built like a TE, he has deep speed. Obviously he's no Moss or Mike Wallace, but every year you see highlight reels of Rivers chucking it to him deep. He's making plays downfield with his speed and his ability to win jump balls. He ran a 4.46 at his pro day I believe.

In 2009, the last full season Jackson played, his average yards per catch was 17.2. That was good for 4th best in the NFL behind: Mike Wallace, Desean Jackson, and Mohammed Massaquoi. Desean and V-Jax both had over 60 receptions, while Wallace and Massaquoi only had 30 receptions, so that makes it even more impressive -- not only is he a deep threat but he's contributing in the short/intermediate passing game as well. By the way, the great Randy Moss' average yards per catch was 15.2.

In 2008, V-Jax was again 4th in the league in AVG yards per catch with 18.6. He was behind: Devery Henderson, Bernard Berrian, and Justin Gage -- all of whom had between 32-48 catches. V-Jax had 59 catches. By the way, Randy's average was 14.6 (yes, he had Cassel, but I don't care).

Even in 2007, V-Jax had 15.2 AVG yards per catch. Moss, who had the "greatest season ever by a WR", was on "a mission to prove everyone wrong and get paid", and was "at his pinnacle as the best deep threat in the game and maybe of all time" had the same exact AVG yards per catch of 15.2.


He's basically a somewhat lesser version of Larry Fitzgerald in terms of elite hands and great route running, but he's more of a big play threat, has better deep speed, has similar size and build, and works both outside and inside the numbers.

As much as we'd all love to have Larry, V-Jax makes more sense. He is someone who is 28 years old (only one year older than Larry) and will cost less in terms of resources (don't have to give up draft picks). Larry is a top 3 WR in football with Andre and Calvin. V-Jax is a top 5-10 IMO, probably somewhere around 6 or 7.

Plenty of money should/could be coming off - AD dead money, Taylor, Morris, Light, Faulk, etc. We should have the money to go after him.

I don't care about his DUI situation.
 
Price had the fastest time in the 2010 combine so the good news is it appears BB kinda thought this out earlier.

My guess is that his progress this year as a red shirt will be indicated by any moves made.

Also, I think many have been unfair to Tate. The kid is in a basically rookie season and had the offense totally changed. Let's see what he can do with a full off season in this offense.
 
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