Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by JSn, Mar 6, 2009.
Debate Friday: T.O. or NO?
its amazing this is getting so much attention. it would shock me if we picked him up, but if he kept his mouth shut we'd sure be hard to stop
With Pioli gone BB has resorted to this?
if any team could control him it would be the Patriots, like Moss and Dillon, Belichick could tell him "hey Bud, this is your last chance, and i'll release your butt in a second if you pull ANYTHING"
imagine Brady looking out and seeing Moss, Owens, and Welker out there.
I say we all vote yes just to see what happens! I know this is more of a PFW thing than anything, but still, if Andy Hart says yes, Bill oughta listen!
I mean, The guys at PFW decided to add it to Home Page. Harmless poll.
No big deal - Florio acts like Bill's on the fence about TO so he asked that a poll would be put up to see how the fans felt......I mean really, that's so damn stupid.
With Faulk and Taylor in the backfield...
Shivers. Course we'd still need some effing DEFENSE. But that's another thread (or sixty).
I know you're joking - but aren't the Colts one of the potential landing spots for him?
He wouldn't keep his mouth shut for anyone, but of all the places for him, that one strikes me as making the most sense.
Belichick is the only coach in the NFL, and T.O. knows it, who has the guts AND the authority to cut his ass out of town if he pulls one stunt.
thats why im convinced New England is the only place it would work with T.O.
Aren't you forgetting someone?
(leading rusher last year)
I didn't forget, I just couldn't fit him in my 3-wide 2-rb set, hehe.
I don't think the Colts are anymore likely than the Patriots. Probably a little bit less given BB vs Caldwell in his first season. I think the reason that anyone would mention the Colts is because they haven't issued a statement saying they don't want him. He would be another weapon, just like with New England, and Peyton likely wouldn't be effected by his whining and act. That and Polian wouldn't put up with his chit. I don't see it happening.
You know, the more I think about it...why not try it? Have Brady, Bruschi, Seymour, and Rodney show him thier Super Bowl rings his first day there and say "Shut the F up and you could have one, too."
Plus, could you imagine how much MORE we would be hated by everyone else?
the key is that on day one Belichick makes clear, with the captains standing behind him, one effen word and you are gone and nobody in New England will care one bit.
no other franchise would have the bowling balls to do so.
No doubt the only team that can make a successful reclamation project out of TO is NE. I would think TO and his agent know this and if no other teams comes calling .........
Just imagine if BB brought TO in on a prove it (no bonus) contract, had him drink the Pats kool aid and got him to play the Patriots way? Talk about cementing BB's legacy as the best ever and putting to rest any doubts that it was BB and not Pioli who performed the magic in Patriotland!
I really have mixed feelings about it. I don't think I'd be too upset if we got him because of who our coach is.
They would need to implement a mercy rule if this happened though..
If I were t.o I'd be embarrased of myself getting cut from 3 different teams because of my childish behavior not on feild production. I'm sure bb and co will sit and talk about the idea or having owens that's just what they do. If I were Owens and the pats showed the slightest bit of interest I'd be on my knees begging to have a chance to play for such an established team with the best hc and qb. The patriots are the one team that has a hc and a roster of players that could make this work.
I could see it working for a year. He would be motivated to prove it wasn't him in Dallas. He managed to keep it together for a year in Philly, right?
People were saying the same thing when he went to Dallas. Even Parcells couldnt deal with him............I DO NOT WANT T.O. IN N.E...........
The problem is Owens has displayed a pattern of not caring about what anybody else thinks. The Eagles had a history of playoff success (not in the biggest game, but success nonetheless) and he blew that team up for an acrimonious exit. That gave him a pattern of poor exits from the Niners and Eagles. He did the same with the Cowboys when he was supposedly running out of chances and got Jones to cut him as too big a liability.
Moss has been great, so do you really want to see Owens, who regards himself as the best receiver in the game but is probably hitting an age wall, grumbling about touches when Moss is better and established with the team? No thanks. The down side of that experiment significantly outweighs the potential up side.
I was laughing earlier today at the Yahoo article giving a list of teams that would not want him. I cannot say I have seen that before Owens.
I'm going back and forth on this.
I am willing to bet that the Pats have entertained the idea of TO in a Pats uni. I'm sure BB reached out to Tuna, Reid, Mooch, et. al and sought some insight into what might be the root-cause for his disruptive, sometimes illogical behavior. As stated before by other posters, the Pats have done pretty well with malcontents (except for Doug Gabriel and years 2 and 3 of Dillon), but consider this point. BB actually has a pretty solid relationship with Drew Rosenhaus. BB has said before that he has enjoyed his past dealings with him b/c he does his homework and analysis with regard to the players and respects the history of the game. Those two may be able to have a decent conversation and have Drew convey to TO that the Pats would be a good move for him. Certainly the Pats would ask for TO to agree to an incentive-laden, low-risk deal for the idea to be considered.
But in the end, I believe it would be TO who would not agree to come here simply because his ego, thirst for attention and overall requirement to be coddled and loved would not be satisfied with the Pats. I think TO has passion for the game, has obviously been productive and can help any team's passing offense if he plays hard, but in the end I don't think it's realistic to think he would want to play here unless the other 31 teams show no desire for his services.
I think Parcells could have kept him "somewhat" in check. However, he had a field day with that joke of a coach Wade Phillips and his wus QB Romo.
He thinks he's bigger than the game. He's about to find out the harsh reality of that thinking.
What would we pay him with?
I guess anything is possible, and if Belichick wanted to have a go of it, ok by me.
I see T.O., though, as completely different from Moss or Dillon. Moss is, I believe, very widely misunderstood and, deep down, shares way more of the same sensibilities as Belichick and Brady than people have ever understood -- even today. Dillon was a pissed off malcontent, but with reason, and he needed a winning environment. T.O. has been a problem even when he's played in a winning environment, and his worst problems were on the sidelines where coaches are too busy to control things.
In descending order of probability he will go to:
3. Every pro, NCAA, and high school football in America and elsewhere.
Actually I'm just kidding. It wouldn't shock me, actually. It really depends on what TO wants at this point in his career...I could see the Pats putting out feelers, but I don't think this will happen. TO, at his heart, likes being the center of attention and I think he'd recognize he couldn't be that here. If he really is thirsty to play with a great QB he'll go to the Colts or the Pats, but my guess is at the end of the day Oakland will offer him too much money and he'll fade away his disappointing career in silver and black.
I don't know why a team would publicly say they don't want him. For one thing it gives TO and his teammates bulletin board material for additional incentive if/when the two teams play each other. Second, the less teams interested him, the less he will be offered in a contract. It is in the Patriot's (and any other team's) best interest that whoever signs him pays top dollar for Owens; that team then has that much less available to spend under the salary cap.
Aside from the cancer that he is, Owens is not going to become a Patriot. With the available cap money, the Pats are probably looking for a receiver to replace Gaffney that will count about $1-$1.5 million against the cap this year; there's no way Rosenhaus and Owens are going to sign for that kind of money.
Only way I want him on the Patriots if I'm playing Madden.. NO FREAKING WAY DO I WANT HIM on our team
two other things.
one, frankly, owens has been right about what he's whined about in previous teams. he was classless about how he went about airing his feelings, but honestly....Jeff Garcia sucked, Donovan McNabb didn't manage the offense well in 4Q of that SB, and Tony Romo looked for Jason Whitten way too much. he wouldn't have anything to complain about here, he'd probably work out quite well.
but two...and this is important
he dropped a lot of passes the past few years in Dallas. big ones. Randy did last year a little bit too, but still. I'm not sure he's worth more than 2 mil a year, on a conditional contract, and you think he'd be cool with being on a team where the other guy is making 7?
no i don't see this happening. he'll go to Oakland or (hopefully not), Indy.
Yeah, I'll take him. But only if the Pats hire Willie McGinnest to shadow him everywhere and he's armed with a baseball bat!:singing:
The more I think, The more I think this could work for one MAIN REASON! Do you agree with me on this:
T.O CANT yell to Brady. I just can't imagine him yelling at him like the other quarterbacks. Brady would be like, "your yelling at me? TOM FKIN BRADY!"
I think T.O would RESPECT Brady unlike the other quarterbacks.
( there once was a troubled guy that mooned people named Randy Moss)
No way it could happen unless Brady and Moss signed off on it. You need those guys on board or you could ruin the team.
However, if those guys were for it, it could work for one year as long as Owens agreed to a contract structured to make it painless to get rid of him.
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