Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by DefenseRules, Mar 26, 2007.
It seems we have a thing for Tennessee WRs.
I don't really want us to draft a WR in the first round. We already have plenty competition and Troy isn't even signed.
In theory I don't want us to either but . . . with Stallworth being the only WR we have who is semi proven and very talented, I could see us not wanting to pass on exactly the right guy. It would have to be a guy they LOVED to do it though.
I can see where you're going, and that's fine. But if they do draft that guy, who will be the odd man out? Stallworth, Welker are locks. I don't see them cutting Caldwell or Gaffney just because they did a good job coming in, learning the system and doing well without a deep threat on the team. Plus they come cheap. Jackson is not going to get cut, and reports have been saying that his injury is not severe, maybe PUP for first 6 weeks for worst case. No way they don't bring him in after week 6. That's 5 already. Washington is a question mark to me. He definitely has potential but not proven himself yet. Probably depends on TC battle and how good he does. Then there the question of Troy's return. ? What about Bam's shot at making it? Kight? Too many.
I agree and I've argued the "we won't draft a WR side" already. But if they think there's a STUD, they'll let the competition decide.
Stallworth, Welker, New Guy would be three. Jackson would be four if healthy. That would leave 1 or 2 spots between Troy, Washington, Caldwell, Gaffney.
Imagine the statement on the state of last year if both starting WR didn't make the team
I could live with that with pick 28. 24 Needs to be for the defense I think. Will be up to what the Pats to consider to be 1st rounders. Their short list is usually only about 20 players long I think.
Lets not forget that aside from welker and Jackson, the entire WR corps basically have 1 year deals.
Caldwell is as much of a lock to be on the team as Stallworth is. He will be #2 man. I am unsure of drafting a WR with what we already have, especially using a high pick.
Exactly. We need to think about beyond this year. Meachem could very likely be the BPA when the Pats pick at 24 or 28. I'd rather take Meachem in round 1 than make a reach at "a position of need" ie S, LB.
Why are people thinking Gaffney is a lock to make this team? This is a guy who was cut by Houston & then Philly, not exactly teams overflowing with WR talent.
Then he was unemployed with nary a sniff until NE signed him.
Now don't get me wrong, I think he had a decent stretch toward the end of the season, but honestly, BFD -- he was starting at WR, he had to catch *some* passes.
I think the guy is competent, but I don't think that his current presence on the roster precludes the Pats being able to draft a WR they really like in the first round.
Also, I don't think Washington, based on his contract, is a lock to make the roster either. He's one tweaked hammy in TC from being cut if the Pats have some WRs to spare. Which they would if they drafted one they liked.
I think there would be better choices than WR in the first round but I wouldn't throw my tv out the window either if it happened as i think the more receivers to fight for spots the better in Tom Brady's mind. lol
Yeah, I don't know, I guess we'll just see what happens. I would hate it if they had to cut Caldwell or Gaffney just because they got the offense down and developed into good players for us especially towards the end of the season. Washington can end up like Donald Hayes for all we know right now. I do want them to bring Troy back for one last year though.
Not my first choice for a visit.
Now, just as long as all the 1st-day talent at DB and LB are interviewed, then I'm cool.
I generally don't like WRs in the 1st because the hit rate is so low. But Meachem looks like a blue-chip talent. There aren't likely to be many of those by the time the Patriots are on the board. Given that the team has two round-1 picks, I would definitely spend one on Meachem rather than settling for a guy like, say, Michael Griffin that early.
If they're not trading out with either pick, Double Amen on that!
You need to think about next year though. Caldwell and Gaffney are both FA. Stallworth and Washington basically signed 1-year "prove yourself" deals and could easily be cut. Ideally we'd draft a WR to spend a year in the system and become a starter next year given our possible WR situation.
I do think about the future years, but like I mentioned earlier, it comes down to roster spots this year and someone getting cut (Washington, Gaffney,) or not resigning of Troy. I want Brown back for one more year and I would hate to cut Gaffney before regular season since he seems to have gotten the system down towards the end as opposed to the 3 WR we signed. Plus, he is cheap. So with Stallworth, Welker, Jackson, Caldwell being locks to make it, we can only have 1 or 2 max WR more. I'd like to see Troy and Gaffney in those roles to give them the best shot at winning next year. Remember, we already have a young Jackson grooming.
Hmm... I am kind of warming to Griffin as our FS of the future but I agree the games I saw Meachem play he was a game breaker. Big, strong, fast. Not sure how well he runs routes but is a homerun hitter.
I like Meachem and I would be fine with him in the first, but I think there will be some pretty good talent at WR in the 2nd, 3rd, and even fourth round. If NE really wants to draft a WR they should trade the 28th overall pick for GB's 2nd, 3rd, and 5th, then take Jason Hill with either the second or third round pick (Likely the second).
Here are the WR's I like for NE:
That was predicted by a few on the main forum a month ago, in a certain 500-post thread. I hope it doesn't repeat itself here.
yeah weird. last season it was florida. next year lsu? :singing:
I notice a lot of people aren't talking about Dallas Baker from Florida, I would be thrilled if we steal him in the 4th or 5th round, just have a feeling about this guy (kinda like I did with Anquan Boldin, not comparing, just think Baker's going to be a good pro), he's had two rally productive seasons in a row. I really like Meachem, and think the future of the Pats with Jackson and Meachem as the top two recivers would be sick (I mean that in a good way).
and there are sugestions that Jarrett may be hanging around when the Pats pick
Hmmmm 6'5 213lbs ....maybe worth a look
I have to respond to BelichickFan's rediculous comment. First and foremost, Stallworth is not the only proven player on our team. As a matter of speaking he is hardly more proven or distinguishable than any other receiver on our squad with the exception of a single 900 yard season. A season in which Joe Horn was hurt, Duece was hurt, and there was literally no one else on a beat up New Orleans Squad that went 6-10. We all know what he did in Philly.
The proof is in the pudding. What I mean is, I believe the Pats receiving corps has always been a system success. Shuan Jefferson, David Patton, David Givens, and most recently Dieon Branch all left the system and have struggled. It is the same with guys NE will incorporate. Big names don't mean big production. I can almost guarentee you that Caldwell and Gaffney will not be overlooked, as well as Welker having big participation in the passing game. Combine that with Watson, Thomas and Troy, Forget it. If the Pats look for anything other than best position, especially in the secondary or LB, they are crazy.
Baker is a polished receiver, which I like. However, I felt Baker severely underachieved right up until the SEC championship and National Championship games. He's off my list right now, but he's a borderline guy I'd be OK with. However, if we pick him up in the 4th or 5th, it won't be a steal. He's projected as a late second day pick.
Given the depth of our WR corps right now, I'd rather we draft a potentially great one, like Meacham, or not draft one at all, raw PS candidates excepted.
I said "semi proven AND very talented".
I don't consider Gaffney nor Caldwell to be VERY talented. They're league average in talent.
Jackson ? Washington ? Not semi proven.
Welker ? Should really help us but not VERY talented.
Put it this way . . . which of our WR have ANY CHANCE of EVER making a pro bowl as a WR ? Stallworth, Washington, Jackson. Cross the last two off because they're nothing but raw talent right now. And there you have it.
Those are really the only two options. There's no point in drafting some third rounder who would be a very small upgrade over a Washington or the like.
If there's a guy we LOVE, pick him in the first round and make a tough roster choice in August. If there's some sleeper we can stash on the PS, fine. Short of that we have lots of talented WR, we can let the season sort them out.
patchick, let's move this thread to the Official Prospect Visits/Workouts thread. I'm assuming you prefer to not have separate threads on these visits -- is that correct?
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