WR - Free Agency, Trade, or Draft?

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  1. BillBelichickFan79

    BillBelichickFan79 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    How do you think the Pats should go about addressing their need at WR? Assuming 2010 is uncapped:

    Notable Free Agents
    Terrell Owens - 36 - UFA
    Antonio Bryant - 29 - UFA
    Derrick Mason - 36 - UFA
    Kevin Walter - 29 - UFA
    Vincent Jackson - 27 - RFA
    Brandon Marshall - 26 - RFA
    Miles Austin - 26 - RFA
    Braylon Edwards - 26 - RFA
    Malcolm Floyd - 28 - RFA
    Steve Breaston - 27 - RFA
    Josh Reed - 30 - UFA
    Lance Moore - 27 -RFA

    Possibly on the Block
    Anquan Boldin
    Brandon Marshall

    Players Who Might Be Cut and Know the Offense
    Deion Branch
    Dante Stallworth

    Notable Draft Prospects
    Dez Bryant - Oklahoma St.
    Brandon Lafell - LSU
    Damian Williams - USC
    Golden Tate - Notre Dame
    Arrelious Benn - Illinois
    Jordan Shipley - Texas
    Demariyus Thomas - Georgia Tech
    Mardy Gilyard - Cincinnati
    Mike Williams - Syracuse
    Dezmon Briscoe - Kansas
    Eric Decker - Minnesota
    Taylor Price - Ohio
    Jacoby Ford - Clemson
    Riley Cooper - Florida

    Current WR
    Randy Moss - 33 in 2010, last year of contract
    Wes Welker - probably will start 2010 on PUP, 29 in 2010
    Julian Edelman - 24 in 2010, will likely assume slot role for Welker
    Brandon Tate - 23 in 2010, coming off another knee injury, kick returner
    Sam Aiken - 30 in 2010, best used on ST
    Matt Slater - 25 in 2010, will he still be on team?, STer like Aiken
    Isaiah Stanback - 26 in 2010, QB to WR conversion
    Darnell Jenkins - 28 in 2010, practice squad in 09

    My Thoughts
    I'm sure we'd all like to see someone of Brandon Marshall's or Vincent Jackson's talent level added at WR, but the chances of that happening are slim. I could maybe see a guy like Antonio Bryant brought in, but again I have my doubts.

    I think our biggest need at WR is someone to line up out wide opposite Moss. A physical WR who can work the intermediate zone of the field and go over the middle with good speed and reliable hands. I have high hopes for Tate, but he cannot be counted on. Stanback, Aiken, and Slater are all more a part of the problem than the solution. Edelman will make a good replacement for Welker in the slot as Wes rehabs the knee.

    My plan is to keep Moss for the final year of his contract and draft a replacement for him in the 2011 draft. AJ Green, Jonathan Baldwin, Julio Jones, and Michael Floyd will all likely be available in the 2011 draft, in which we have 2 first round picks. All 4 of them are potential gamebreakers at WR who will be able to replace Moss' big play ability. Currently my two favorite are Green and Baldwin.

    For the spot opposite Moss, I would like to see us use a 2nd rounder to acquire a WR in one of two ways:

    1. I would be in favor of trading 2nd rounder for Anquan Boldin. I love his playing style and I think he is just what we need. He is the perfect #2 WR to be used in the intermediate passing game. He is fearless going over the middle, has reliable hands, plays with a lot of passion and with a chip on his shoulder, breaks a lot of tackles, and is only due 3 million in 2010. The issue with trading for him is that he has been banged up over the last couple of years and is going to want an extension, as his contract runs out after 2010.

    2. I would like to see us use one of our 2nd rounders on a WR. Some guys that are possibly projected to go in the 2nd round are Golden Tate, Brandon Lafell, Jordan Shipley, Damian Williams, and Arrelious Benn. The two guys that I am most intrigued by are Tate and Benn.

    Tate played under Weis at Notre Dame and had a great season. He's great in the open field at making people miss and picking up YAC. He's not that explosive off the line but when he gets going he's got pretty good speed. Reliable hands, good route runner, can make catches in traffic and go deep. He's listed at 5'11 and reminds me of Greg Jennings when thinking of an NFL comparison. Dangerous weapon in the open field once you get the ball in his hands, good route runner, good hands. He can also help on special teams as a KR and PR.

    Benn is quickly becoming my #1 WR prospect for the Pats. He is in the 6'1 to 6'2 range and is a physical WR with great speed. He has a similar type of game to Andre Johnson where he can get behind the defense and also go over the middle and operate well in traffic. He's dangerous with the ball in his hands and breaks tackles, has a quick burst off the LOS, and can also contribute as a KR and PR, as he did both in college. He has a secure set of hands and can go up and win jump balls. He had a down year due to an injured ankle and poor team play, so his draft stock has fallen. The negative is that he played in a spread offense in college, but so have guys like Crabtree, Harvin, and Maclin, and they've all come in and made immediate impacts. I think Benn is the guy we've been looking for to both stretch the field and work the intermediate passing game, something we were hoping Chad Jackson would do.

    If we do not use a 2nd rounder to get a WR and don't want to give a decent contract to a guy like Bryant, I'd like to see Stallworth or Branch brought back if they're cut. I think Stallworth would come pretty cheap. But who knows if we would want to bring back as some people like to say "Meion" Branch who shot his way out of town or a guy that killed someone while driving drunk.

    Going into 2010 our top WRs would be:
    Boldin/Benn/Golden Tate/Stallworth/Branch
    Brandon Tate
    Wes Welker (PUP)

    Boldin(if extended)/Benn/Golden Tate/Stallworth/Branch
    Brandon Tate

    My personal preference is to add Boldin or Benn/Tate as opposed to adding a Stallworth or Branch, especially with Welker's status up in the air. A player of Boldin or Benn's caliber would take some heat off Moss and give Brady a legitimate 3rd receiving option.

    What are your thoughts on how we should address the need WR? Any players you specifically like/don't like? Which way should we go about acquiring one? What do you think the Pats will most likely do?
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2010
  2. Nestapats

    Nestapats Practice Squad Player

    Definitely via free agency. There are plenty of good names available. We already drafted some young guys, now we just need a quality guy, who comes with a 2-3 mil contract.
  3. BillBelichickFan79

    BillBelichickFan79 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Who do you have your eye on in FA that you think would be a good fit?
  4. Nestapats

    Nestapats Practice Squad Player

    Like you said, antonio Bryant would be a sweet addition, but i think he'll be too expensive to our liking. Kevin Walter would come cheaper, but im not sure he's a fit. But the one i like the most is steve breaston. I'm not sure he's a free agent, but he would be relatively cheap and a good addition.
  5. BillBelichickFan79

    BillBelichickFan79 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Breaston's a nice player but word is in Arizona that Boldin is the one who could be on the way out due to the emergence of Breaston and Doucet, so it's highly unlikely they let Breaston walk. Although he would look good in a Pats jersey.
  6. dryheat44

    dryheat44 Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    If there was a chance of getting Vincent Jackson here, I don't think BB would hesitate. Even if it cost us our #1 next year. That guy is probably the most underrated WR in the league, and getting better.
  7. BillBelichickFan79

    BillBelichickFan79 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Even if that was the case, why would SD want to get rid of Rivers' favorite target and one of the best WR's in the league? It'd be easier to get Marshall, but I can't really see BB going for him, especially after he couldn't get along with a BB protege in McDaniels.
  8. mayoclinic

    mayoclinic PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    I really don't want to see us using valuable draft picks to acquire veteran WRs. I do, however, believe that we need veterans more than more rookies.

    I would like to do 2 things:

    1. Pick up a veteran FA WR, perhaps even 2. The 2 potential "elite" guys are Antonio Bryant (a UFA) and Malcolm Floyd (a RFA so probably unlikely, unless San Diego is unable to tender him because of all their other resignings; again, I doubt this happens). The 2 low-end guys who could immediately help are Deion Branch and Donte Stallworth, because they know the system and have rapport with Brady.

    2. Pick up a late round developmental WR. Freddie Barnes would be ideal. Jacoby Ford might be an option.

    The use our draft picks on defense, OL, and perhaps an offensive playmaker like CJ Spiller, Jahvid Best or Dexter McCluster.
  9. bucky

    bucky 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    WR is definitely an area of need, but I'd rather see our high draft picks and big $$ used to address the defense and possibly RB position if the opportunity presents itself.

    So that said, I'd like to see us get 2 FA WRs, specifically the 2 guys I like are Kevin Walter and Chris Chambers. Neither one should cost a lot.

    Walter is a big, physical possession receiver with pretty good instincts and will improve the screen/running games with his blocking.

    Chambers sucked in San Diego, but really had a revival in KC last year. My assumption, though it may be incorrect, is that KC runs an offense similar to the Patriots. If true, Chambers could really be great opposite Moss.

    As for long term, I'd rather see us draft a mid-round WR we can develop. Tate has some promise IF he can stay healthy. I think Edelman is a keeper - he'll most likely play in the slot while Welker is out, but in 2011 I can see both of them on the field together.
  10. dryheat44

    dryheat44 Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Next to none. Hence "If there was a chance". All I'm saying is that he's the type of guy worth forfeiting draft picks for. I can't even imagine a defense equiped to handle Moss, Jackson, and Welker. We wouldn't even need a tight end in the pattern. Get a mauler at TE, and stick a single running back (Maroney, Faulk, Spiller?) behind Brady and the offense would be a decent bet to outperform the 2007 version.
  11. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Well, Julio Jones and A.J. Green should be coming out next year, so I would like to save a high draft pick for either one of those guys (both of whom capable of replacing Moss). This season, we have one more year left with Moss. With that in mind, I would like to see the team try to make a play for a WR through free agency or trade. Bryant sounds really good and it appears as though he's grown past his immaturity. Jackson would look extremely good and I would pine for him as well if I didn't think that San Diego was going to do everything they could to retain him. I also wouldn't mind seeing Branch back, however he is further down the list considering his injury history.

    On top of that, I really hope we get to see what Tate is capable of in this offense next season.
  12. Badluck

    Badluck On the Game Day Roster

    i would say free agency but i dont see anyone that really intrigues me
    i mean i could say VJ but the chargers wont let him go
  13. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I didn't have my eye on Malcolm Floyd, but I wasn't really impressed with what I saw out of him in the Jets game. IMO, after he got upended by Leonard, he started to alligator arm the little amount of passes that were thrown his way afterward.
  14. upstater1

    upstater1 Pro Bowl Player

    Other than Deion Branch, I see nothing at all in free agency, because the RFAs mean giving up multiple draft picks. Bryant is a head case who will command a huge salary for what he gives us. No thanks. He's not going to ask for a midline contract.

    The draft has a ton of WRs available, and if you play your cards right and make a few trades (trade Adalius Thomas for a 4th, trade out of 2011 for a pick, maybe trade down from the first round) you might have 8 picks in the first 4 rounds, which gives you plenty of space to grab DEs and OLBs and also two receivers.

    I say you definitely grab a WR in the second round, and guys like Arrelious Benn and Brandon LaFell and Damian Williams and Mardy Gilyard will be available. Then you grab another in the fourth round, and guys like Jacoby Ford and Marcus Easley should be available. For good measure you grab one in the 6th round too!

    That still allows you to grab three pass rushers, a guard, a tight end and an ILB in the first 4 rounds.

    I will not complain at all if we go DE/OLB, ILB, DE/OLB with 3 of our early picks, but I'd like to see a WR mixed in there as well. From then on, we start to fill needs at G, TE, and WR.

    (I'm obviously assuming Watson isn't coming back).
  15. MaineMan

    MaineMan 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    Whichever way the Pats go - and I'd prefer FA and the draft to trades - I don't care as much if the guy is a consistent, speedy deep threat, as long as he can

    - get off the LoS quickly, especially through the jam
    - run crisp and correct routes
    - get enough (not necessarily "enormous") separation
    - make smart route adjustments, find the open spot at the right time
    - make good adjustments to the ball in the air, extend, grab it with strong hands, shield the catch from defenders
    - turn upfield for at least a couple of yards
    - understand how to break off his own route to block when the pass goes to someone else and is a willing blocker (Moss is good at this)

    If we can get five WRs like this on the roster, along with at least one TE and a couple of RBs who can perform similarly, it will be rare that at least one of them isn't open. The chains will keep moving.

    I mean, I look at the multiple legitimate pass-catching threats that Brees, Rodgers, Manning, Favre, Warner, etc. have on the field in every formation and I think, "No wonder."
  16. FreeTedWilliams

    FreeTedWilliams I'm no Mona Lisa Vito.... PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I have long been on record as saying save the Raidahs pick for AJ Green, he is that good!

    The Pats do need to bring in a WR or 2. Let's face it, it looks more and nmore like Welker is going to start next year on the PUP. I loved the Tate pick last year, and was bummed when he got hurt again. Let's hope that he can recover.

    I'm all for bringin back Dieon if he gets released.
  17. Seneschal2

    Seneschal2 In the Starting Line-Up

    Antonio Bryant - if he's now a team player - no room for poor attitudes
    Deion Branch - if there's anything left in the tank
    Golden Tate - the Weis offense
    Eric Decker - very polished, highly productive, considered NFL ready
    Andre Roberts - Citadel - small school sleeper, also highly productive and consistent. Very impressive at Senior Bowl
    Brandon Tate - was drafted for a reason

    I think BB will sign AND draft a WR.

    Terrific post BTW.
  18. Ochmed Jones

    Ochmed Jones Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    I would welcome Branch back in a heartbeat and I would sign Reed as well.

    As for the draft, if Tate falls to us in the second, I think BB should jump all over him.
  19. Ochmed Jones

    Ochmed Jones Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Quick Twitch and great decision making on option routes. That is what BB is primarily looking for in WR's.
  20. BillBelichickFan79

    BillBelichickFan79 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Thanks. I like that list of options. I find it hard to believe we'll be willing to give Bryant the money he wants. I don't see too many options for us in free agency unless Branch and Stallworth are cut. I'm personally becoming a big fan of Benn in the 2nd round. I wonder if Tate could possibly fall to 42 or would KC snatch him at the beginning of Round 2 to give Cassel a good weapon along with Bowe who Weis has experience coaching.
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