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    The 2012 Wide Receiver Market - Offseason Low Down - Rotoworld.com

    says...

    Welker gets Franchise tag slapped @ 9.6mill
    Lloyd signs with Pats for 2 yrs/ 15mill
    Stinko to be released by April...says separation skills gone, and mentally unstable. :eek: WTF koolaid was BB drinking trading for this idiot.

    Mike wallace to Ravens, 5yr/47.5mill + 1st round pick

    and drumroll please..........

    R. Moss to Jets for 1 yr/2.5Mill. Should make Santonio Holmes Happy


    FWIW
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    I'd be surprised if lloyd got 2/15 from the pats
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    I'm thinking it would be a 3 year deal in the 15-18 mil range for Lloyd.
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    The Pats typically do three year deals with older players. I can see them paying him $7 million a year or so, but they may push a large chunk of the money into 2014 where the cap should explode along with salaries.

    Now I think the Pats will try to get him for $5-6 milion a year, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was a three year, $21-24 million. I doubt it will be two years though.
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    he's not worth 7.5mill/year for sure unless uncle Dan in DC is on crack and willing to hand out another fat bonus laiden contract to Lloyd.

    At 4-5mill, he's worth it to Pats. I can see 3/15, no way 2/15. Maybe 2/10 and team option for 3yr.
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    Any team that gives up a 1st round pick AND pays 9 1/2 million per year (elite WR money) for Mike Wallace is a complete team of idiots; at least at this juncture in time anyway. Well, maybe not idiots, but they sure would be taking a gamble. In my opinion, the range of 9-10 million per yr should be set aside for the 'elite' and proven WR's of the game. Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, maybe Andre Johnson..Once you start to give guys like Santonio Holmes and Mike Wallace 10 million per yr you are really screwed cap-wise if that gamble doesn't pay off.

    Believe me, I can see the argument for it...but Wallace still needs to prove himself a lot more to warrant that kind of money.

    I think one of the potential problems in teams trying to get Wallace is the grey area in trying to determine exactly what he's worth.

    Pros:

    1. Young with a potentially high ceiling
    2. Likely the fastest WR in the league
    3. Can stretch the field, run great crossing routes, and make players miss

    Cons:

    1. Has been labled a "one trick pony" by many sources
    2. Has not proven his ability to run all of the routes that would be necessary
    3. Tends to disappear at times, like in the last 8 games of 2011
    4. Questions regarding his utilization in any system without backyard football playing Roethlisberger on the run
    5. Has not proven himself to be a "#1" WR in Pittsburgh, let alone any other team

    That all said, I could imagine some team overpaying for him...sure. We've seen it before plenty of times.

    I can also imagine a lot of coaches and GM's not being able to agree on his compensation at the moment.

    I would think that 5 yrs/40 million would be closer to what he'd get right now.

    Either way, Pittsburgh will have its hands full trying to keep their young core of WR's together. Wallace this yr, Brown and Sanders next yr...no way they can even think about affording all 3. They may not even be able to afford 2 of them.
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    1 year @ $2.5 million for Randy Moss...

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    102 mill for a QB

    164 mill tied up for 3 LBs - Harrison, Woodley, Timmons

    No surprise they are in Cap hell ans will have to gut the team and start all over.

    Besides the WR's, their RB Mendenhall is also a FA next year. Steelers are in deep crap upto their eyeballs
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    mendenhall won't be in a great position next year --- might not be much use, either, after the surgery.
    they've got that young guy I think they drafted last year.
    we'll see what they do about it, maybe draft another, but they need to do something unless this is definitely their guy.
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    Love it!! I hope now everyone sees how difficult it is to rebuild an aging defense on the fly, while staying not only competitive, but ahead of most other teams in the league. I hope they suffer mediocracy for the next several yrs, and Baltimore takes over the division every season.

    It was amazing how the entire city of Pittsburgh suddenly became Giants fans (even though they couldn't name 5 players on the NYG team) during the game a couple of wks ago.

    Even more amazing was the high percentage that I heard on local radio and (gasp..) facebook declaring how they'd suddenly be "proud to have the Ravens represent the AFC" this year :eek: I didn't see one unbiased opinion on anything relating to the playoffs or the SB, just a bunch of ice-aged morons declaring stupidity.

    Talk about complete shock..I figured they'd root for anyone vs. the Pats unless it came down to the Ravens, however I was very mistaken.

    When the Giants won the game, everyone around here acted like their team had actually accomplished something positive in some way..it was eerie. I've never seen a bigger group of uninformed crybabies in my life, until after the game when their P.O.S. players started talking smack about "Spygate" again.

    My hatred for their team is just as deep as Joker's hatred for the Jets. Hell, it may be more.
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    You must be referring to the RB that was hurt in the preseason and put on IR before the season started. I think he was a late rd pick, or maybe even undrafted.

    Lord knows that Jonathon Dwyer hasn't exactly worked out for them, and many proclaimed him to be the 'new coming of J.Bettis.'

    They need OL and CB help in my opinion. The first thing I'd do is draft a big road grating OL in April if I were them. They're playing on borrowed time in terms of getting Roethlisberger killled back there.
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    I really think a lot of these numbers for free agents are low, particularly with all the available cap space teams have. Aren't we surprised every offseason with some of the ridiculous contracts handed out?
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    Pittsburgh Steelers - Salaries by Year

    The grim reaper shows up in 2013 for Squeelers when Woodley, Timmons, Colon, Taylor salaries jump by 26Mill+ in cap, and Harrison, polamalu, Rapistburger still on the books

    So, they'll have close to 60million tied up in 7 players......Now that's called CAP HELL of the ultimate degree :D
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    Like every yr, this proposed "cap space" does not clearly equate to the real picture. At all.

    Pioli went on the record today that said that he figures almost 25 million to go towards escalated clauses from 2011 that weren't factored in, based on snaps and performance, and that the 'real' cap was a lot lower that they are working with. Add up another 5-6 million for them to sign rookies, and all of the sudden KC's proposed "50 million" under the cap suddenly becomes about 20 million in all actuality.

    Sure, you are right--there are some teams who have a lot more space than others; and there will always be a team or two who will overpay for an 'average' player. We see it every yr.

    What we also see is a lot of this 'fantasy' talk to mean much of nothing. There are always moves and there is always talk about these big-names every single yr. After all, there is nothing else to talk about right now.

    In relevance to your question, I see guys in this article like V.Jackson getting almost 12 million per yr...that's certainly not considered 'low.' They project Lloyd to get 7 1/2--8 million a yr? LOL!! That's certainly not low either. Marques Colston netting 9 million, moving him into the 'elite' WR category...certainly not low to me. The same goes to Mike Wallace, 9 1/2 million a yr? Are you kidding me? How about Randy Moss netting a 2 1/2 million dollar deal this yr, while most see him signing the vet minimum?

    I'm sure there are some examples of lower figures that caught your eye, but the majority of it seems pretty straight on as to what they'll likely get. If anything I think some of the numbers are actually inflated for sure.
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    What about a Laurent Robinson?

    2 years/$8 mill according to RotoWorld...4.38 speed....feasted on the Giants, Miami, and Buffalo...When Miles Austin went down, Robinson stepped up and Dallas's offense started clicking....Robinson scored a TD 1 out of every 5 touches.

    I watched him quite a bit this year...kind of a floppy athlete....fast but not much body control....but always seemed wide open..... moderate cost/minimal years....seems like a cost conscious BB signing.
    Looking back on his less than productive career....St Louis and Atlanta....decent rookie season but then disappeared for two injury riddled seasons. Cut twice over the last two years, once due to hamstrings, he finally stuck on Dallas roster the end of September.

    Maybe BB could convince Robinson to come to NE on a "we'll give you some starts-prove yourself" type contract vs Dallas and the "wait for an injury" role. Cheap dollars with upside potential....the guy scored 11 TDs on 54 catches....that can't be dismissed

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    Steelers 2012 Defense:

    DE: Ziggy Hood (age 25)
    NT: Casey Hampton (age 35)
    DE: Brett Keisel (age 33)
    OLB: James Harrison (age 34)
    ILB: James Farrior (age 37)
    ILB: Lawrence Timmons (age 25)
    OLB: Lamarr Woodley (age 27)
    CB: Ike Taylor (age 32)
    CB: Keenan Lewis (age 26)
    FS: Troy Polamalu (age 31)
    SS: Ryan Clark (age 32)

    I'm so sick of Big Ben having his stud defense to carry him. I hope that Denver game is the beginning of the end for that defense, so many old players, and a couple of young ones aren't even good. (Hood, Lewis)

    Pats 2012 Defense:

    DE: Brandon Deaderick (age 25)
    NT: Vince Wilfork (age 30)
    DE: Kyle Love/rookie (age 25)
    OLB: Rob Ninkovich (age 28)
    ILB: Jerod Mayo (age 25)
    ILB: Brandon Spikes (age 25)
    OLB: FA/rookie/Anderson (age 29)
    CB: Dowling/Moore (age 24 and 22)
    CB: Mccourty/Arrington (age 25 and 26)
    SS: Patrick Chung (age 25)
    FS: FA/rookie/Ihedigbo (age 28)

    It's about time for their defense to suck and ours to become great.
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    I don't get why people think the Ravens will go after Wallace. They already have Torrey Smith who can run a 4.3 and has been shown to be an effective deep threat. Why would they pay so much to duplicate that? They could use another receiving option but he Wallace doesn't seem like a fit IMO.
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    Nice attempt at an overview and prediction column by the fantasy site, but I think Evan and the guys were playing with Monopoly money to some extent...

    Lloyd's value is limited due to his track record of only succeeding with Josh. The Rams may be interested in retaining him but their offense is going to be changing under a new HC and OC. He only makes sense for NE and KC (with Daboll), although if KC spends to retain Bowe that will limit their unit budget under Pioli. Given his age and history I don't see Lloyd getting more than 3 years averaging $5-6M and on a liberally incentivized and possibly option/roster bonus type dependent structure so potentially a one year prove it deal that maybe nets him $7-8M in year 1 either way.

    Media often talk themselves into a somewhat hysterical financial opinion compared to what actually transpires once the dust settles. This is a deep FA class, not just among WR, and that alone will limit the top tier options ability to cash in. Deals may sound sweet at first glance, but the devil in the details will show them to be a little less so than anticipated.

    I though it was odd that they talked about Wayne and Johnson disappearing to some extent but failed to note Wallace's dropoff in the second half of just his third season. And while Baltimore may make a run at him they also have Flacco to deal with this offseason. He wants top 5 QB money, something they haven't had to grapple with in decades, and they will be well served to maintain their identity and run first mentality which will continue to cost a few bucks and also begin transitioning on an aging defense where egos dictate they will continue to have to spend a lot of top tier $$$. They're really in a similar position to the team they'd be taking Wallace from, the only difference being that team has more WR's in the pipeline and their QB signed long term.
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    two very astute points...the dropoff by Wallace AND the Flacco contract issue...as far as the Wallace hysteria goes, it looks like another of these "fantasy" Romeo and Juliet stories here...they will pound this "sign Wallace!!!!!" campaign to death and beyond.
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    I'd peg SF, or Chicago (even the Pats) as more likely landing spots than Baltimore for Wallace. Why would they bother coughing up that much dough and a draft pick to get something they might already have? Too big a cost just to weaken a divisional foe.

    If Lloyd gets $7.5m/yr from the Pats I'll eat my hat and yours. If he wants more than $5m/yr he won't be Tommy's new plaything. Lloyd been far too inconsistent to warrant $7-8m, his flameout in St. Louis will temp some to think he might be losing it - whatever modest portion of it he had that is.

    I bet Moss ends up down south somewhere. Tampa (to re-awaken their diva Mike Williams), JAX (so the owner can hope a little longer all Gabbert needs is a legit WR to get over the hump), NO (to replace Colston??).
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    I loathe the Steelers and their fans with the strength of a thousand suns. I understand the hatred of all things Jets, but really, think about it, the Steelers are the boil on a rat's arse.
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    I see the Wallace back half drop off as more of a choice by defenses....pick your poison....Brown or Wallace. To me, it looks like both Brown and the Pitt running game both benefited from extra coverage on Wallace. Constant safety awareness of Wallace opened up the box for the Steelers. Teams just can't let the fastest WR in the league be single covered.
    Put Wallace on the Pats and force Ds to roll a safety in his direction....think of the miss matches for our TEs and WW. Question....did Safeties ever roll in Branch's direction this year? Too often Branch was getting blanked under the watchful eye of single coverage.
    Back to Wallace....remember Big Ben's injury. I don't think Ben was as willing to hang onto the ball and further damage his leg to unleash the long bomb.....Brown and Redmond got the ball in thiose games
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    So on top of mock drafts we now have mock free agency signing compilations? Jeesh ... I suppose the percentage of correct predictions will probably be similar; what about 10%?

    It's a fun exercise but it's certainly not worth anybody actually thinking that it means that this player will go here or that player will end up there.


    And as for the Steelers and their fans, with the exception of the two or three great guys that post here occasionally I'm in complete agreement with supafly and Garbanza. As a collective whole I cannot stand their players and their fans more than any other, even the Jets or Ravens.
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    That's what i'm saying borg.
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    Good point cousin.
    It would appear a replacement for Boldin who might have one more year left and physically is wearing down(didn't see that in the play-offs though) They also paid a 4th for Lee Evans who minus a great play by Moore, would have been their 2011 play-off hero. He is another blazer(still?). I think they look for a Colson or Jackson rather than Wallace.
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    DW Toys touches on another possible target: Lee Evans. He seems like a prime candidate to get cut, and, if so, could probably be had for a very reasonable amount. Injuries and poor QB-pairing have certainly taken a toll on his production over the last couple of years. If he does, in fact, have anything left in the tank and is the field-stretcher that his reputation bears, he could be a very good value signing. I certainly would not be comfortable if he was the only WR addition we made this off-season, but I think he would be a guy to look at as a second option to bring in.
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