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    Wow, I've seen some losers in my life, but this guy just catapulted to the top of the list. Talk about a total scumbag loser. I'm not a violent man by any stretch, and I do believe in free speech, but if this guy ever crossed my path, I'd punch him in the face. A contest to see how many American soldiers die. What a disgrace. I've been telling you guys that there are americans out there who want to see America fail. There are americans who are rooting for soldiers to die so they can point a finger at Bush, because they despise him so much. That's dispicable to me.

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    Predict the Number of Troops Killed in the Next Year!

    How many U.S. troops will be killed in Iraq in the next year?

    Submit your best estimate here.

    The Bush administration won't dare go public with such hard and somber calculations about expected casualties--which would help weigh the costs of this renewed war effort. So I figure conscientious HuffPo readers will step into that breach.


    I'll keep track--our memories are long--and we'll notify the "winner" one year from today.

    I'm not sure, however, what you'll win, or even if you could call it a victory. But Americans like to play to win, we've been told. And it doesn't take much of a sacrifice to ponder the possibility of someone else's death.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-seery/predict-the-number-of-tro_b_38314.html
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    If he's trying to make a point about the number of casualties in Iraq, he certainly has a questionable way of doing it. But did you know that gambling on world events is becoming very popular? Betting houses were taking bets on when Saddam would be executed, bets on when the next terrorist attack would occur, how many people will die when certain hurricanes hit land, etc.
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    Wait... "Exactly" sounds like you're agreeing with me, but I don't think we really agree: I don't like what this guy is doing, you see to be OK with it.
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake


    NEM, out of respect for you, I'll refrain from commenting any further. Your words here speak for themselves.
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    RW, i haven't been around this forum very long...

    But could you, for the sake of future debate, please relay your overall justification for this occupation? Both in early 2003, as well as now? Thank you.
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    The socialist progressive liberals are winning, the "Old America" is dying, we will fall from the greatest nation on earth to nothing but a hateful f-cked up third world sh!t hole.

    One of the first things "The Vermin" will do is destroy the Constitution and all the History Books because they won't want their next generation of smelly sheep to know "What It Used To Be Like".

    This body counter should be chained dragged through Arlington National Cemetery by an Army Jeep. I hope his f-cking bowels get eaten by worms while he is still alive.
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    I wasn't in favor of invasion in 2003. I understood it, and did see some validity to it. Not because of WMD's, or kill my daddy stuff, but for what it was, an attempt to democratize the ME. My brother is both a right wing nut, Airborne veteran, and history major. We'd discuss it everyday here at work. We both knew it was being done to bring democracy to a region that had been ruled through oppression and radical religious ideologies. When we'd debate action, my bro was gung-ho, and I was torn. What I'd always come back to when trying to figure out if we should or not, was the precedent we were setting in taking action. That the US was acting as an invader. I had real problems with that. Our historic involvement in wars has been to defend liberty, or threatened nations. This was no where near that, we were invading hands down. Of course, 9/11 did change things a bit. At least for some it did. Still, I didn't like the precedent. Plus, wars NEVER go the way you expect them to. Wars are unpredictable. Anyhow, once they opened the can of worms, I want to see it succeed. There is no denying that a stable democracy in the ME would do wonders for the region. It's clear to me that Iran and Syria would not want to see such a government succeed. Who'd listen to oppressive clerics when they could have a choice for representation? Anyhow, I want to see it work, although I know the job is not going to be easy.
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    What a POS, I'd punch him in the face too.

    Its one thing to voice your dismay and anger over the war and even your hatred for all things government and Bush but to actually have a CONTEST and gloat over being the "winner" in terms of how many young men and women bravely give their lives for their nation?

    Sick.

    Debate the merits of the war all you want but dont EVER denigrate those who serve.
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    Like Korea, the Gulf War didn't end. Iraq did violate the terms of the armistice and that alone was enough to justify resuming hostilities.

    Should we have, that's fodder for another thread. I just wanted to point out something that seems to get lost ever time "justification" comes up in discussion.
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    Oh... denigration? You mean like challenging the votes of thousands of African-American servicemen who were overseas in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or were you just referring to insufficient body armor? Or was it forced extended and additional tours of duty?

    Yeah, I'd punch Karl Rove in his fat face also...
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    Oh really? Then how about telling the American public exactly that then, and let them decide on THOSE merits... Not using exaggerated or fraudulent allegations of WMDs and "meetings" in Prague with al Qaea...

    It's really quite simple, despite this spin above we've heard some 50 thousand times from war apologists everywhere...
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    When people call it an illegal war, I don't agree. According to the resolutions, the onus was on Saddam, with which he did not comply, and thus was removed. That's valid, if not argueable. My issue in 2003 was the precedent we were setting. In Korea, we weren't an invading force. In Iraq we were. That's all.
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    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz...............

    Don't you ever get tired of your own rhetoric? So should we take your repsonse to mean you'll be joining scumbag's contest?
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    That's a meaningless distinction. Wars aren't legal or illegal, they're just wars. The attacking side feels it's legal, the attacked side never feels that way. There's no overreaching set of guidelines in that case... war is the breakdown of law.
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    LOL.... Are you saying those examples didn't happen? ... why is it that every time a dissenter provides a counter point to some overdramatic angry righty claim, loyalists can never tackle the specific point, and must deflect to personal insult? I provided a link... But, it's a known fact that black soldiers' absentee ballots in Florida were scrapped, sent home or delayed... Do a google search... Or read a book... Just don't talk to me about "denigration" of our troops... LOL
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    Drop is talking about what the resolutions required. They required Saddam comply, with which he didn't. Even Hanz Brixx said pretty much said so at the UN in January 2003. You've got to love hindsight though. Everybody always forgets how it was back in 2003. I don't.
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    Once again, despite quoting me, you're not hitting on the challenge of my very specific question... You do that a lot... Anyway, I'll repeat: If the breeching of the resolutions were "enough to justify war," why then was it not presented that way?....

    What we have here is the kind of rhetoric that some loyalists, who know in their hearts that the Bush League lied, need to placate themselves ... You know, that invasion and occupation was all justified because Saddam was being a bad boy by flying a jet or two a mile over some imaginary line.

    Please don't insult me further and suggest that I don't remember how it was back in 2003. I was staunchly against the rape of Iraq as early as late 2001 when I heard grumblings from the usual neocons in power trying to tie it all to 9/11... Including that obsessed ***** Mylroie
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    IMHO, it should have been. I feel this was a mistake.

    Also, since the terms of surrender were breeched, congress, UN etc. already authorized it, no further debate was needed.
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    You keep reading all those liberal websites, you're going to turn into a Bizarro Limbaughian.

    Anyhow, I remember John Kerry, in 2000, saying on MSNBC (i think it was them) about how they shouldn't count the military ballots that came in from overseas because of some technicality. It was so obvious that he didn't want them counted because the military tends to vote republican and he knew that. Anyhow, the article points out how these challenges, by both parties mind you, happen in swing states, well why? Obvioulsy because votes matter more there. That Repubs would allegedly target blacks is obvious, they vote 90% Dem. Do you honestly think, that if the Repubs do this with blacks, the Dems don't do it with whites? Each party tries to have any votes it feels will go to the opposition thrown out. Wake up!

    Most people ignore your points because they usually digress from the topic at hand, and also because you have an obvious agenda. When I say agenda, I mean you lack objectivity. You bleed liberal, and hate GW. Reminds me of trying to talk to diehards who hated Clinton. It was a waste of words.
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    Well, for some people the legality of a war is significant. Ask NEM. Personally, I find calling a war legal or illegal as, well, silly. If you get invaded for no reason per say, and you cry foul and complain it's illegal, who are you really complaining to? The UN? Ha! What are they going to do about it? So where I understand the distinction, and the purpose of the terminology, I sometimes think that calling a war legal or illegal is a tad silly.
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    The real question is whether a war is moral or immoral, and that's a value judgement. That said, we all have some common values so it's possible to build consensus one way or another, but there's no overriding law to appeal to.
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    You're such a pompous righty, under the guise of centrist... No one is buying your self-proclamation of "fair and balanced".... And that is why I take great pleasure in obliterating your crap... I believe I've seen you take a liberal stance on exactly one issue so far... Wow...

    They don't ignore my point, they concede my point... My point is unassailable... They don't answer, because they have no answer... Much the same as you've capitulated right here in this exchange by not answering the question of the resolutions...

    As for having nothing to do with the topic at hand, wrong once again.... as my posts ROUTINELY deal with the topic at hand... that is, until some blowhard makes a ridiculous assertion that needs to be put in perspective, or fully debunked... So blame your allies for trying to slip propaganda into a thread topic, not me for holding them accountable...
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    Re: Wow, there are scumbags, and then there are scumbags, but this guy takes the cake

    and so does your president...
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    So I'm sure you were just as against, the Clinton signed, Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 right? Sure you were.

    Yes unfortunately breaching the resolutions were. You should look back at the rhetoric being spewed by politicians of both parties throughout the 90's, and post 9/11 regarding Hussien and Iraq. Looking at the things they said and beleived then, and seeing what they do and say now, is comical. Reminds me of Social Security. Clinton and the Dems said it was going bancrupt in the 90's, the Repubs said he was nuts. Clinton wanted to invest SS money in the stock market, to which people laughed. GW gets into office, says SS is broke, the repubs agree, and want to create private investment accounts, the Dems laugh and say SS is fine. Too funny. Hindsight and the political wind sure are something.

    Got time for a YouTube? It's quite funny. Has people like Biden, Ried, and Edwards all talking tough before 2003.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfeBROshZ0M
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    Tell that to the UN crowd. I happen to agree with you Pujo. I think moral causes are what differentiate a nation from taking action, or not taking action. It's why I'd prefer we were in places like Darfur & Rawanda, before we were in places like Iraq.
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    Crazy Boob Gore & John Fonda Kerry both didn't want the "military vote" counted, they realised that the Military HATED the both of them (and still do)

    The guy that this thread was started over should be lowered into a Volcano while the Marine Band plays "Stars And Stripes Forever"
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    Obliterating? **yawn**

    I've put forth my position on all topics, including my general feelings towards political and social issues. I refuse to sign my life away to a party, only a fool would do that. I've desctibed myself as in Independent Conservative. With the emphasis of conservative being with respect to fiscal sanity. I'm no homophobe, I'm personally pro-life, but would not overturn Roe V. Wade. Abortion is murder, sorry. It's sometimes a necessary evil, but the determination by some that killing an unborn is a "right" is astonishing to me. I have no problems with the government helping those who cannot help themselves i.e. welfare, but I am vehemently helping people who are capable of it themselves. I oppose Amnesty, and the undocumented invasion on our southern border. I would support a Guest Worker program, and an increase in LEGAL IMMIGRATION as I am the son of immigrants, and am the product of the American Dream so many aspire to experience. I'm pro gun control, although I feel that all law abiding citizens should have the right to a weapon should they qualify for one. I oppose corporate welfare. I feel that Affirmative action is reverse descrimination, yet, I would not abolish it as I do see it's benefits. Most of my personal positions would align me with older school Repubs, or moderate Repubs & Dems as I beleive in a government that is small, efficient, and caring of, but not coddling for, its citizens. I'm not a fan of liberal ideology. I think it serves activism pretty well, but is far too loony for government. I oppose Gay Marraige, but support Civil Unions. I like compromise. I beleive in common ground. I feel that principles are great to stick by, but will always be victim to reality. I call a spade a spade, give credit where it is due, and like to discuss issues as opposed to argue them.

    Any questions?
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    America is a nation of laws. Our definition of common morality, outside of religions and kings, is our laws, drawn from the Constitution. When an American says a war is illegal, he is expressing a point of view that is particular to Americans, and it is a reference to that basic definition of being an American - a morality based on laws. That is our only common heritage.
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    great schlock here... but you continue to appear UNABLE to answer the question... over and over and over again, talking around the issue, insulting ME, but never really tackling the issue... it's truly unbelievable.... you serve up a main course of Clinton deflection, with a side of Social Security and for desert? Some Reid and Edwards distraction.... Hooray!!... but what are you talking about? lol

    Anyhow, back to accountability: Still waiting, RW, for your explanation on why "resolution breaking" was not the stated reasoning for asking for Congressional and/or UN approval to rape Iraq?...
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    "Stop" she cried, then she pulled up her bloomers and fled.

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