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    He was a first round pick and seems certain to slip now to the 2nd.

    Woudn't you think someone close to him or the team with WISE him up.
    Get a trainer for a few months and get in football shape .

    The question isn't if he gets drafted or if he's a bust but where he gets drafted. Go in the first or early 2nd young man and you have it made and than you can go eat! Do I hear 400 by the draft?

    Amazing how dumb they are.
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    Anyone else hoping for a shirtless 40 ala Andre Smith?
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    That picture combined with the fact that the word "mount" is also a verb has permanently damaged my fragile little mind.
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    Between Andre Smith and Terrance Cody, you really have to wonder about Alabama's conditioning program.
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    Now the big question. Is he just another overweight player who is going to get a huge payday? Or is this someone who has Ted Washington, Sean Gilbert potential? We'll find out a lot about him here very soon.
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    He played this season at 385. I fail to see the issue.
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    I'm sure a poster of your fortitude and experience doesn't need reminding of this, but playing against College O-lines and NFL O-lines are two vastly different things.

    I'm sure he's not, but the pictures of him yesterday made him look like a lazy fat slob, like Andre Smith last year.

    He needs to lose weight, a lot of it. Maybe as much as 35lbs.
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    Most of us assume that the Patriots will franchise Wilfork. If
    they feel he will be unhappy and a distraction, they may trade
    him. In this instance, Cody may be their #1 pick and he and
    Brace will compete at nose tackle.
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    I think his best playing weight is probably 345-360. If he comes into the pre-season at 355, I'd expect him to be just fine.

    I'm not saying 370 is ideal, I'm saying it's less than he played this season at, according to sources at Alabama. So if he lost 15 pounds over the last few months in getting ready for his pro career, it sort of contradicts that he's been lazy and is irresponsible for not getting into shape for his Senior Bowl weigh-in.
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    Not to mention that he may be 370, but it's a ROCK HARD 370, lol.

    He's just a big fat guy albeit with some athletic ability. He gets gassed easily and 4th quarter time is pretty useless. He does push the pocket back though.

    I think we dump Wilfork for picks, play more 4-3 (hopefully Brace can learn this) and be done with it. Wilfork was only a 2 down player and he did get smashed to pieces against baltimore in our embarassing playoff loss.
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    Wilfork was also playing on a flat tire.

    I'm not overly concerned about Cody's conditioning at this point in the process, I think any kid who reportedly came to Alabama over 400 lbs and who weighed in at the Senior Bowl at 370 has been moving in the right direction. Weight loss is tricky, especially if you are going to need a certain amount of sand and strength to hold your own against double and triple teams.

    I have no doubt BB has the straight skinny on the kid and can make this decision based on good information.
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    Thank you BOR! You are the voice of reason.

    Newsflash - Mt. Cody is not being drafted to be a male underwear model. He's being drafted to handle double and triple teams (600 to 900 plus pounds of human flesh) in the trenches without moving backwards. Small guys, even strong small guys, need not apply.

    There is a reason McClain and Hightower and other Alabama defenders can roam sideline to sideline making plays, it is because a sloppy and slobby 400 plus pounder, (at times) with an incredibly wide backside on huge tree stumps for thighs, was clogginf traffic better than anybody I've ever seen play in college.

    PS: I saw Cody in a T shirt and shorts when he first arrived at Alabama and that was about 50 more pounds; AT LEAST; horrible than the weigh in. He has made huge strides and maybe if he had gotten to Tuscaloosa as a freshman, things could be different for him. Doubt it, but maybe.
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    Ron Brace weighed 330# at 6'3", and the general concensus was he need to add another 15-20# for his frame.

    Cody is never going to be drafted as a quick, penetrating DT, and he certainly won't be drafted for how he looks in a bikini. He's an immovable object who chews up double teams and frees up other guys. I'm sure his playing weight should be in the 340-365 range. Where exactly is unclear. It's a fine line between not having enough "sand" to be an effective run stopper and eating your way out of shape, and possibly out of the league. But don't discount Cody because of how he looks at a weigh-in.
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    I must say I don't get it. Mount Cody has been an interesting player over the past two years precisely because he was huge. I wouldn't be surprised if he can be in game shape at 360-370. That being said, I'd rather draft Williams, but that is ebcause I want to keep Wilfork.
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    I will be more interested in his measurables at the combine. It will be clear then whether or not he is a fat slob or an NFL athlete. But I agree, big deal about his weight and appearance.
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    Cody was reportedly "depressed" over his 370 lb. weigh in at the Senior Bowl and is aiming to get down to 345 by the combine:

    Alabama's Terrence 'Mount' Cody looks to downsize after Senior Bowl - OrlandoSentinel.com

    I find this a bit concerning. That's a lot of weight to lose fast without losing strength, and I would think 345 is the low end of where Cody can play effectively. I'm guessing that 345-365 is optimal for him, and much lower than 345 and he'll lose his biggest advantage, of being an immovable object. He's not being draft for how he looks in underwear, after all.
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    Nothing to worry over, his agent will have him booked into a training facility and they'll get him tuned up better going into the Combine and Pro-Day, then he reports to his team - if that's NE Coaches Woicik, Nash, & Johnson will manage just fine.
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    He looked horribly out of shape in that picture. I know loooks don't make the ballplayer, but when was the last time you saw an NFL d-lineman with a waist wider than his shoulders?

    I think he can convert a lot of that fat into efficient muscle by switching that 2-rep max routine it looks like he's on to a more plyo-centric program. I bet he's at his best playing weight between 350 and 360. That 345 stuff he was talking about was for better drill times. He seems like he is athletic enough to be psuedo-disruptive when he wants to, but he's gotta shift some of that mass from fat in his gut to rock in his trunk.
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    cause i can see nick mangold, zone blocking he's big fat A. right out of the way will thomas jones runs for 9 yerds
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    There are several issues involved:

    1. At 370 lbs. as things stand right now, Cody is out of shape and gets easily winded. His stamina and endurance were poor during the Senior Bowl, and he cannot be relied on to play a full game because he is too out of shape and is carrying around a bunch of extra weight.

    2. The extra weight adds wear and tear to his body and will shorten his career.

    3. The extra weight affects his mobility and quickness.

    4. Add a bit more weight and he will be too immobile to play at all and will have eaten himself out of the league, as has happened to others.

    Between 345 and 365 lbs. (ideally 350-360, as Jays52 notes) with ideal conditioning so that some of that weight is converted into muscle and redistributed, Cody can probably be as dominant a run stopping 3-4 DT as anyone has seen. Much lighter than that and he loses his effectiveness. But staying in that zone is going to be a delicate balance, and Cody hasn't proven that he can maintain the kind of balance and conditioning needed to be a dominant 3-4 DL over the long haul. How much are we or any other team willing to bet that he has the willpower, stamina and commitment to put in the work and do what it takes to find that zone and stay in it?
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    In his photo he looked like he was carrying 30-40 pounds of flab. He needs a dietary program, a workout program, and a contract with a weight clause. Still, he might be worth a second round pick depending on what the Pats do with Wilfork.
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    So, to be clear, Cody was the best NT in the country at 385 and has wowed everyone for at least two years. And now, we on this board have decided that his best playing weight is ideally 25-30 pounds less than that. Perhaps, just perhaps

    Perhaps, just perhaps, 370 will be his best weight or even 380. His trainers and coaches can determine that much better than we can.

    I suspect that the issue is that Cody is not in game shape at the moment. This is a huge problem for him, and could cost him millions if the situation isn't corrected soon.

    And yes, perhaps he would player longer in the league if he weighed 360. Perhaps he would last even longer at 330. Teams are looking for him to play better, not longer.

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    As you say, there's a difference between weight and conditionng. Cody was clearly in poor shape at the Senior Bowl. There were multiple reports of him dominating practices only to get winded and pushed around.

    Cody's "ideal" weight could be closer to 370-380 than 340-360. You're right, we don't know. But he hasn't ever managed to get in shape and stay there. That makes him a huge risk.
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    When Bruce Smith came out of college the knock on him was that he was fat and out of shape. He had an epiphany, lost about 40 lbs, and had an All Pro career.
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