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WOW! Bush gets deal with North Korea!

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  1. PatsWorldChamps

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    Like Bush or not, this is a VERY big deal... How he was ever able to get North Korea to agree to nuclear disarmament is amazing.
     
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    If N. Korea keeps the deal, this is very good news. Where I really give the Bush Admin. credit is for insisting on multi-party talks versus a 1-on-1.
     
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    Bush didn't do anything. This was Russia/China/South Korea's deal, with the US jumping in for a photo op and claiming credit for the headlines back home.
     
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    Give credit where it's due... Russia, China, and S. Korea wouldn't have even been involved in the talks had Bush not refused bilateral talks.
     
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    Anything bad that happens, even if Bush has nothing to do with it, "happened on Bush's watch". So say the Libs. It works both ways.
     
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    OK, good job by Bush to bring in the countries around North Korea who actually brokered the deal. At least he didn't dress up in a pilot suit this time for a photo op.
     
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    This new deal basically re-continues Clinton's old deal, which was broken by Bush in 2002 by declaring the North Koreans part of an Axis of Evil. So nice job by Bush to go back to the status quo after pissing a lot of people off over there and making no major positive changes from before.
     
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    The real problem with Clinton's deal was that we never delivered on it. KEDO was supposed to build light-water reactors for North Korea, but because of mismanagement never did. Let's hope we can keep our side of the bargain this time.
     
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    Yeah, it's not quite as good as the deal Clinton got, and of course the North Koreans reneged after Bush started antagonizing them earlier in his term. But, any act of diplomacy by Bush is something to celebrate. Bush is giving them twice what Clinton promised.
     
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    This headline is so misleading. A deal was made, but putting Bush in the thread title, as if he did anything other than antagonize the N.Koreans, is misleading.
     
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    I'll give the bush adminn props on this one. John Bolton is pi$$ed off about this, so you know it must be a good deal.
     
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    George W. Bush organized this whole deal himself and actually single-handedly convinced North Korea to put down their nukes.

    He actually ripped a nuke apart with his bare hands to convince them not to make nukes.

    Then he slapped around Kim Wung Jill and flew back to the states.

    My government sources told me this
    note the red text, that means this is serious stuff and has to be true.
     
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    I heard he watched the South Park movie the night before he went over there.
     
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    Typical. It's why I sometimes am labeled as a Bush excusist. The vitriol and blind hatred is so baffling and illogical that everything is compiled as Bush bad, anti-Bush good. So if you do anything other than being anti-Bush, you're a Bush lamer. Why can't people just call a spade a spade?
     
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    Are you kidding me? I am pointing out how much of a joke the title of this thread is, and you claim I am not being objective?

    Do you honestly believe at this point that Bush is competent in anything he handles? He is the anti-Midas: everything he touches turns to turd.

    And it must blow your narrow mind to even get around this fact, but I'm not even a democrat. Stop hiding your head in the ground and examine this guy's incompetent record.
     
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    But that's illogical, you're using your (IMO correct) opinion of Bush (that he's incompetent) to judge his actions, rather than the other way around.

    Even bad, stupid people are capable of doing good things (and vice versa).
     
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    You're Bush hate blinds you. The entire problem with North Korea was not the principle of trading fuel aid for nonproliferation, it was that NK had a covert nuclear weapons program which was a no-no according to the deal in place. GW stopped shipping the fuel until they stopped the program, which they denied having, and as they say, the rest is history. People criticized GW for his actions with NK, and in the end, I think this gives him a bit of vindication.
     
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    That's almost the whole story, the other part of it was that KEDO (the organization we set up to build two light water reactors for N. Korea, and supply them with enriched uranium) wasn't able to build the reactors because of red tape (some of it North Korea's fault) and mismanagement (some of it our fault).
     
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    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......

    Why can't people ever give credit when it is due? We didn't reneg, and then NK started building nukes. NK was secretly trying to build nukes, and thus we reneged on sending them fuel assistance. If anyone even bothered to read about this, they'd see that what we're providing, is what was supposed to have been delivered by the plants in question, 2 million kilowatts. Give a little credit guys. Hammer when it's warranted, but give credit if it's due.
     
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    Why give credit, when Republihacks been blaming Clinton for giving in to the North Koreans and negotiating a bad deal every since the North Koreans reneged (while Bush was in office)? Is the deal suddenly better because Bush was involved? Republihacks lack integrity, and are almost pathetic in their desperate attempt to give Bush a legacy.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251618,00.html

    BEIJING — It didn't take North Korea long to put its own spin on an agreement reached Tuesday that calls for the Pyongyang regime to close down and cap its main nuclear reactor and eventually dismantle its atomic weapons program.

    Just hours after announcing the agreement — which clearly states North Korea must "shut down and seal for the purpose of eventual abandonment the Yongbyon nuclear facility, including the reprocessing facility" — Pyongyang issued a statement claiming it had agreed only to a "temporary suspension" of its nuclear program.
     

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