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  1. Holy Diver

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    With all the flip flopping on how effective our justice system will be with KSM, I was wondering if we somehow got Bin laden, would you want him to stand trial in the United States for 9-11 (assuming there is evidence of course).
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    Yes, absolutely. Treat him as a common criminal and killer. He does not desrve to be glorified as a captured military man. He's simply a nutcase, and I think a trial would make that all the more evident.
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    I know this is not a direct answer to the question but If he's captured abroad chances are he would not be turned over to us because we would seek the death penalty.
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    I dreamed of the day he'd stand trial after 9-11. I had it all planned out in my head. From the two or three barely old enough to drink Marines who'd drag him out of his spider hole to the Orange Jumpsuit he'd wear w/Kevlar vest/helmet and on to the number of Federal Marshals and black government SUV's that would pull up to the front of the courthouse each morning (it was the one Charlie Sheen walked into at the end of Wall Street.) I pictured the judge (an old, grumpy looking guy with piercing, stern eyes) and a lead prosecutor with a reputation for going after witnesses the way Susan Dey did on LA Law 20 years ago. (I imagined a female prosecutor would really, really piss him off.)

    It was so satisfying to play that scenario out in my mind over and over again and I was just about salivating when Tora Bora came along, yet it wasn't meant to be.
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    No Trial

    Shot and beheaded while attempting escape
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    This is a great question and to be honest, the idea of it scares the hell out
    me.

    Who would be on that jury?

    A jury of his peers?

    Yikes.....

    Does that mean he will get a retrial if we do not allow a Muslim on his
    jury?

    It only takes 1 not guilty from a fanatic Muslim to get a mistrial.
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    This is what I would LIKE to see happen, sadly it would never happen.


    If captured (add in Zawahiri here) I wouldn't want him tried at all. I would not want their capture disclosed at all. I would like to see them interrogated for any useful information they could provide. Especially who is in the chain of command (who took KSM's place for example). Use whatever methods elicits the information most accurately.


    After we have obtained all useful information they can put death, sans trial. They have bragged about their acts of war against the US and in particular the intentional murder of US citizens there is nothing to prove.

    There deaths should use suitable methods. Muslims will not eat pork as it is unclean and eating pork is reason to not be admitted to paradise (from what I understand). I would only offer them pork for food, they could decide to eat the pork or starve. After the eat the pork, or are close to death from starvation Take them to a pigstye (ever see how they disposed of bodies on the HBO show Deadwood?), let them see you dip a couple of bullets in bacon fat, stuff a sausage in their mouth and tape it shut, shoot them so they will die in a hour or so dump them in the pigstye and elave the pigs to dispose of them, walk away let them die, dealing with the knowledge they will never get their 72 virgins.
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    What a choice for moderator.

    Did you apply for the job, or did someone actually recommend you?

    :rolleyes:
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    No reason why he cannot be tried in the US, we have the world's greatest judicial system.. justice will ensue, it usually does..
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    Did the Cops that beat Rodney King use excessive force?
    Innocent.... verdict...

    Did OJ commit a double murder ?
    Innocent... verdict

    Did Robert Blake commit murder ?
    Innocent... verdict

    Darryl I have zero faith in the judicial system.
    Money & fame can work wonders in the courts.

    One Muslim in the jury and we are in trouble.

    I will never forget witnessing a juror throw a black power salute to OJ
    as he left the courtroom.
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    Way to add to your reputation time and time again.

    And after each example, the same indignance... "What? Me? Racist? You obviously don't know me."

    Riiight... :rolleyes:

    Thanks for adding another link to save for your ever-blossoming file of examples.
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    Nope......................... I say beat the sh!t out him for whatever useful information we could get, then take him out back and put a bullet in the back of his head. Bury him in an unmarked grave in the middle of nowhere. Perhaps lop off a finger to use for DNA to prove to the world we got him.

    Nothing fancy.............. just justice. Of course, if that was not palatible for this crowd, we could turn him over to the Paki's and they could do it for us. Extraordinary rendition I think it's called.
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    He's dead.

    Anyhow, then there's that BBC report declaring UBL was a patsy guilty of nothing but being a paid CIA asset -- a story no one challenged.

    In fact, no one ever acknowledges the FACT that the man faces no official charges by the FBI regarding 9/11. Why is that, exactly?

    Osama bin Laden Responsible for the 9/11 Attacks? Where is the Evidence?


    "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11." -- Rex Tomb, FBI's chief of investigative publicity, 2006​
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    Muslims aren't a race they are members of a religion. :rolleyes::singing:
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    I will never forget the Students standing on cafeteria tables in Howard Univ "cheering" when they heard the OJ verdict.
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    Sarcastic Alert!

    Good questions! It's all been a frame job. Lets all start a foundation to restore his good name. We need more people in the world like bin Laden. I wish he was still alive. He'd make a great leader and roll model. Bill Clinton should be arrested and charged with attempted murder.:rolleyes:
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    Totally.....
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    You miss the point entirely. No one is claiming the man is a good person.

    What's telling is that your crowd pins 9/11 on him when no evidence exists that he was ever involved. Then again, your crowd continues to insist a man on dialysis in 2001 is somehow still alive despite allegedly running from cave to cave.

    If you guys could ever solidify what you're trying to charge, perhaps we'd listen. But after 8 years of crap, exaggeration and fear card hysterics, no one is listening any longer.
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    Well it's a pretty big crowd I'm in then that cuts across many political aisles. Evidence? I recall one video he released where he was bragging about his engineering background while describing the falling of the towers. You’ve always used the Bush 21 pecenters figure to ridicule them because of the small number but I’m afraid you’re on the short side of this stick this time……..though I’m more apt to agree with you that’s he’s likely dead now
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    Wait... did you just point to a "video" "he" "released" as your evidence?

    Suddenly, you understand Arabic and can rationalize how the man looked 20 years younger in a grainy stretched video where his lips do NOT match his speech pattern?

    I rest my case. The Federal Bureau of Investigation admits they have zero evidence, but you guys "know better." :rolleyes:

    By the way, it's 28 percenters, referring to Boy King's median poll numbers in his second disaster term. And it's the only factual thing I'm allowed to call people in favor of pre-emption before diplomacy without them acting indignant and complaining to moderators. Your "group" has left nothing else to call you all.
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    Why are you crying in response to that logic? Dude, take it easy.... Get ahold of yourself.
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    What should I say? When I see someone like yourself acting like a whiny little girl, I call them out on it.
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    Mocking a poor moderator choice is hardly "whining." ... But when you've established a theme of exaggeration and fraud the way you have, why stop now?

    If Patters stated his wish for dismemberment and psychological torture of untried suspects, you geniuses would be losing your minds about it. But, if there's one thing we've come to learn about 28 percenters: "Different when you guys do it."
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    Pathetic that what most know has to be true has to be linked for a person who claims to be a journalist, now I was tempted to link to the fox news story to hear the wailing and whining form the lefties, but hopefully the folks from pbs are an acceptable source.


    Online NewsHour Update: Bin Laden Admits 9/11 Responsibility, Warns of More Attacks -- October 29, 2004




    Google is your friend. BTW the sun will rise tomorrow also.
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    What's pathetic is that you had to be pestered to support your argument, despite a history of being exposed as habitually fraudulent around here. Some parts of the story you conveniently left out (because, it's what you do):

    Although there was no way to authenticate the tape or say when it was made, ...

    "If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example."

    An editor at Al-Jazeera said the network received the tape Friday but did not say how, Reuters reported.

    An audiotape, which CIA analysts said was likely bin Laden :)rolleyes:), surfaced in April and called for a truce with European nations if they pulled troops out of Muslim countries.

    And you fell for it, because I knew you'd punt to the profoundly convenient "October Surprise" video that righties love to trot out ... That's what a journalist does. Draws out the fraud to expose itself.

    Also obviously fabricated was the “October Surprise” video, which appeared on October 29, 2004, just in time to help George W. Bush get reelected. One clue that it was a fake, aside from its timing, is provided by its language. Bin Laden’s own messages were saturated with references to Allah and the Prophet Mohammed. But in this October Surprise video, Allah was mentioned rarely and the only “Mohammad” mentioned was Mohamed Atta. Also, whereas undoubtedly authentic bin Laden messages portrayed worldly events as cause or at least permitted by Allah, the speaker on this October Surprise video gave a purely secular account of events, even telling the American people: “Your security is in your own hands.”

    these fake bin Laden tapes appear to be simply one part of an extensive propaganda operation, in which the US military intelligence is using tax dollars – illegally – to propagandize the American public, with the aim of furthering the militarization of America and its foreign policy.

    Again, why then does the FBI have no mention of UBL's complicity in 9/11? Why is there ZERO evidence he was involved on his "most wanted" file by the FBI?

    You're a good little Bushie, aren't you? Pretending a boogieman is still alive to keep us all in line. Ooooooo.

    Testimonial evidence he was dead by 2002:

    We had considerable testimony in 2002, from people in position to know, that bin Laden was dead, or probably so. These people included:

    * President Musharraf of Pakistan;

    * Dale Watson, the head of the FBI’s counterterrorism unit;

    * Oliver North, who said: “I'm certain that Osama is dead. . . And so are all the other guys I stay in touch with”;

    * President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan;

    * Sources within Israeli intelligence, who said that any new messages from bin Laden were “probably fabrications”;

    * Sources within Pakistani intelligence, who “confirmed the death of . . . Osama Bin Laden” and “attributed the reasons behind Washington's hiding news on the death of Osama Bin Laden to the desire of the hawks of the American administration to use the issue of al-Qaida and international terrorism to invade Iraq.”

    Objective evidence he was dead by 2002:

    Until mid-December 13, 2001, the CIA had regularly been intercepting messages between bin Laden and his people. At that time, however, the messages suddenly stopped, and the CIA has never again intercepted a message.

    Second, on December 26, 2001, a leading Pakistani newspaper published a story reporting that bin Laden had died in mid-December, adding:

    “A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement . . . stated . . . that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial.”

    Third, bin Laden had kidney disease. He had been treated for it in the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001, at which time he reportedly ordered two dialysis machines to take home. If you have ever wondered what bin Laden was doing the night before the 9/11 attacks, CBS News reported that he was being given kidney dialysis treatment in a hospital in Pakistan. And in January of 2001, Dr. Sanjay Gupta said – based on a video of bin Laden that had been made in either late November or early December of 2001 – that he appeared to be in the last stages of kidney failure.

    Fourth, In July of 2002, CNN reported that bin Laden’s bodyguards had been captured in February of that year, adding: “Sources believe that if the bodyguards were captured away from bin Laden, it is likely the most-wanted man in the world is dead.”

    Fifth, the United States has since 2001 offered a $25 million reward for any information leading to the capture or killing of bin Laden. But this reward offer has produced no such information, even though Pakistan has many desperately poor people, only about half of whom have been supportive of bin Laden. ​
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    First of all, saying OBL is dead means nothing close to the truth. No one can say he's dead as easily as you can say he's alive. What makes someone say that?

    That being said, I hold out hope that his body will be dragged out of the rubble of his bombed-out hideout in Manhattan
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    Jurors should be impartial.

    The black juror who celebrates the acquital of a black man who killed two
    white people did not appear to be an impartial juror.

    To make matters worst the racist black power salute turned his actions
    into a racist statement.

    I pointed out this issue to display the lack of judgement we have seen
    from jury's through the years.

    Imagine if a juror displayed a swastika tatoo as they left the court room
    in the acquital of the cops who beat Rodney King.

    Somehow I have a feeling that would receive a lot more attention by the MSM
    than the actions of the fool who did the black power salute.

    Feel free to add this to my resume.
    I call 'Em like I see 'Em.

    I sleep well at night knowing that Presscoverage will never, ever become
    a moderator in this forum.
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    So OBL makes a statement this doesn't jibe with your conspiracy fantasies, we all understand... no proof would ever be enough since you refuse to accept it.....;)

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