Would you make this trade?

[Terry Glenn is a cowgirl]

I was just looking at our draft picks, and the associated value... Going strictly off a value chart, we could trade our top 5 picks ( a 1, 2, 3, 3, and 4)
and move up to #6 overall...

Just curious, as a fun poll:

IF a seymour-clone (a real, SciFi Clone, not the common usage of the term clone as it is used on football players) was there at #6 (an exact clone of RS as a rookie, who would be guaranteed to have the EXACT career of RS), would you trade our top 5 picks for that guy?

You mean pull a Ditka? No. I wouldn't.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Not arguing with your decision, but if you're gonna include the 1-4's back to Light, then you need to include: Brock Williams, Kenyetta Jones, Rohan Davey, Reid, Cobbs, Bethel Johnson and Marquise Hill; and remove koppen (we'd still keep one 4, and our 5 under my scenario.
Additionally, our last few drafts have been outstanding. It would be tough to repeat that success.

Davey, held down a back-up QB slot for three years, that is value for a 4th round pick, like him or not.

Reid was excellent on STs, and he wasn't the one BB was chewing out on the sideline when the Eagles scored over him. Again, value.

Bethel is part of BB's field position strategy, even playing hurt or behind poor blocking he gets league average or better on KRs. Value.

Hill would improve the more he played, he may not be Seymour, but he is a big block eating DE. Just because we would like him to be more doesn't make him a loss. And how long did it take Wilfork to twig to two-gap play? And he got to practice what he was learning.

In the time it took Polian and Dungy to build up an improved (if still suspect) defense to complement their top gun offense, BB won three Superbowls. Which GM/HC team or individual would be more likely to use the recipe you propose? Did BB buy one high priced FA in 2001 or a bunch of vet minimum retreads?

Some ad hoc thoughts: Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Dan Snyder, Matt Millen....

The answer is no, guarantee or not, unless you secretly yearn for PolianWorldChamps.

 

[Terry Glenn is a cowgirl]

Davey, held down a back-up QB slot for three years, that is value for a 4th round pick, like him or not.

Reid was excellent on STs, and he wasn't the one BB was chewing out on the sideline when the Eagles scored over him. Again, value.

Bethel is part of BB's field position strategy, even playing hurt or behind poor blocking he gets league average or better on KRs. Value.

Hill would improve the more he played, he may not be Seymour, but he is a big block eating DE. Just because we would like him to be more doesn't make him a loss. And how long did it take Wilfork to twig to two-gap play? And he got to practice what he was learning.

In the time it took Polian and Dungy to build up an improved (if still suspect) defense to complement their top gun offense, BB won three Superbowls. Which GM/HC team or individual would be more likely to use the recipe you propose? Did BB buy one high priced FA in 2001 or a bunch of vet minimum retreads?

Some ad hoc thoughts: Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Dan Snyder, Matt Millen....

The answer is no, guarantee or not, unless you secretly yearn for PolianWorldChamps.

high priced free agents?

Colvin, Harrison, Hayes (not that expensive...but bad enough because he was a numbnut), Poole.

 

[shakadave]

Quite simply, 3-4 good players in the salary-cap NFL are more valuable than one great one. It takes a LOT of bodies to fill a 53-man roster!

 

[bucky]

I think all you guys are right as a general principle. And of course teams never do it because you can never really guarantee greatness. But I'm looking at it from a slightly different perspective.

First of all, you CAN guarantee greatness in this case. Second, the Patriots are VERY good at drafting marginal to good players in the middle rounds. They do it every year - Sanders and Hobbs, Scott and Reid, Wilson and Samuel, Branch and Bethel, Kaczur and Kenyatta Jones, etc. What they haven't been able to do since Seymour is get a guy who dominates at his position like no other player. This actually ALLOWS them the luxury to trade one of their draft classes for a GUARANTEED stud like Seymour. Let's face it, guys like Seymour come around once every 5-10 years at any position. Guys like Hobbs, Kaczur and Sanders are available every year. We drafted a bunch of them last year and the year before (Hill, Scott, Reid, Cobbs) and we can draft a bunch more in the coming years.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

high priced free agents?

Colvin, Harrison, Hayes (not that expensive...but bad enough because he was a numbnut), Poole.

Colvin, Harrison, and Poole were all 2003 signings (as opposed to my example of 2001), further, their signing addressed multiple areas of weakness instead of spending the majority of the budget on one signing - imagine if the budget had all been allocated to just Colvin or just Poole? Injuries cost us Seymour for a few games this season, Tommy is out of the Pro Bowl due to injury and was one hit away from serious injury all season, there's an analogy about eggs and baskets to be considered.