Would you make this trade?

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by PatsWorldChamps, Jan 26, 2006.


Would you trade our top 5 picks to get a Seymour-clone

  1. Yes

    4 vote(s)
  2. No

    53 vote(s)
  1. PatsWorldChamps

    PatsWorldChamps Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I was just looking at our draft picks, and the associated value... Going strictly off a value chart, we could trade our top 5 picks ( a 1, 2, 3, 3, and 4)
    and move up to #6 overall...

    Just curious, as a fun poll:

    IF a seymour-clone (a real, SciFi Clone, not the common usage of the term clone as it is used on football players) was there at #6 (an exact clone of RS as a rookie, who would be guaranteed to have the EXACT career of RS), would you trade our top 5 picks for that guy?
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2006
  2. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

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    It would be tempting if we could guarantee he'd come through, as your question seems to imply, but this is a very deep draft so that's too many picks for me to trade.
  3. Mike the Brit

    Mike the Brit Minuteman Target PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Trading for a player and paying him are two different things. Look at Seymour. He's still on his first contract but he is our third-highest cap cost -- $7.4m (and I don't think anyone thinks that WMcG's higher figure is realistic).

    OK, so Seymour's contract was re-done after a hold-out and he is four years in, but still the point remains: top ten draft picks get expensive contracts with no guarantee that they will pay off. Ty Warren, whom we drafted in the teens, has a $2.2m number.

    So is it a good idea to use so much ammunition to move up? Given the uncertainties, I really, really doubt it.
  4. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    I voted yes because you said we would be guaranteed results. Obviously that is not the case.
  5. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    My opinion is that this would be a TERRIBLE trade. Possibly worst ever.

    We will get a quality player with our #1. We have almost always gotten a solid player with our second pick. The other 3, based on history should produce anywhere from 1-3 solid players and most likely at least 1 starter.

    There is not a player in this draft, or any other that is worth that much. (I'd say Brady is but hindsight is 20/20 we are talking about a draft pick and the uncertain of what he will become.)
  6. RayClay

    RayClay Hall of Fame Poster

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    Didn't know the technology had proceeded that far. :rolleyes:
  7. PatsWorldChamps

    PatsWorldChamps Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I agree i would not trade the picks for whichever "unknown" is drafted in #6 this year.

    My question (and i was very clear, but i knew people would end up changing it) was: you ARE GUARANTEED an EXACT seymour. There is NO unknown involved. That exact seymour would have the EXACT same career, health, attitude, etc.
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2006
  8. PatsWorldChamps

    PatsWorldChamps Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Thanks for at least reading it correctly

    If you can clone the dude, then you could also guarantee the results
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2006
  9. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    My answer is the same.
    We drafted
    Mankins, Warren, Graham, Watson, Wilfork with our recent #1s.
    The other 4 picks, 2s-5s have netted us players such as Light, Kaczur, Koppen, Branch, Hill, Green, Klecko, Samuel, Wilson, Scott, Hobbs.

    There is no way 4 players of that caliber (assuming even 2 of the 4 make it) are worth upgrading from Warren or Wilfork to Seymour.

    A huge chunk of our team is made up of 2nd-5th ruond picks by BB. I think he needs to continue the plan of GAINING picks in those rounds rather than giving them up.
  10. PATSNUTme

    PATSNUTme Paranoid Homer Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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  11. JoeSixPat

    JoeSixPat Pro Bowl Player

    Last year I might have said yes, as I took a strong "quality over quantity" position on our draft, feeling like we had very few holes to fill long term and even fewer short term... Andy might remember that debate.

    Now, given an ongoing rash of injuries, and a better appreciation for how quickly age and wear and tear can catch up with defensive players (for example - I assumed Ted Johnson would be around for years longer) I'd come down more on the quantity side.

    That's not to say we need to be compelled to keep all players we draft - but just knowing that the draft is a crapshoot no matter how good your GM is, and you might need to draft 10 players to get 5 long term quality players.

    We've been spoiled by some previous draft success, and have been spoiled by having some key players (Brady, Harrison etc) remain healthy in the past - but I think having a quality Plan B is what can really set teams apart.
  12. PromisedLand

    PromisedLand Virtual Internet Person

    Are you really Mike Ditka? :D
  13. PatsWorldChamps

    PatsWorldChamps Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Not arguing with your decision, but if you're gonna include the 1-4's back to Light, then you need to include: Brock Williams, Kenyetta Jones, Rohan Davey, Reid, Cobbs, Bethel Johnson and Marquise Hill; and remove koppen (we'd still keep one 4, and our 5 under my scenario.
    Additionally, our last few drafts have been outstanding. It would be tough to repeat that success.
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2006
  14. LA Pats Fan

    LA Pats Fan Practice Squad Player

    No we don't need a Clone

    We have Seymour.

    We do not need another DL so why pay so much for one..

    Trading all 5 picks to get Reggie Bush - now thats another story...
  15. Willie55

    Willie55 In the Starting Line-Up

    I would rather have the depth than the one player.
  16. bucky

    bucky 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    So you're saying, assuming 2 of the 4 make it, you would rather have Wilfork, Wilson and Green rather than Seymour. I think that would be true if we were the Browns, Saints, or Jets. But for a team like the Pats, who have outstanding depth, I would rather have Seymour. Of course I wouldn't do this every year. But if you have a chance to get a GUARANTEED annual All-NFL DL, I think it's worth losing 1 draft class.
  17. broadwayjoe

    broadwayjoe In the Starting Line-Up

    The answer should be NO. If history has taught us anything it has shown that when mutiple players are traded for one player the team with the one player usually suffers remember Minnesota and Dallas in the Hershel Walker trade results Dallas won Three Super Bowls and another example Thw Washington and New Orleans trade for Ricky Williams well Mike Ditka got fired.
  18. DaBruinz

    DaBruinz Pats, B's, Sox PatsFans.com Supporter

    #50 Jersey

    I can't even believe that someone would call themselves a Patriots fan and suggest this sort of moronic trade. It failed for Ditka and cost him his job and put the Saints in a pretty bad swoon that they still haven't really recovered from.

    Sorry, one player is NOT worth 5 draft picks.
  19. PATSNUTme

    PATSNUTme Paranoid Homer Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I can't believe 4 people actually vote yes on this poll.:eek:
  20. patsox23

    patsox23 Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    That would be an especially short-sighted deal considering this year's draft class is so strong.

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