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Would you give up the 2nd round pick for Percy Harvin?

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    Percy Harvin - Minnesota Vikings - 2013 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

    He'd be a one year rental, but he could make some happy here by replacing either Welker or Lloyd (theoretically, all 3 could be kept for at least this season), and Edelman could still be reatained to round out the WR corps. At $2.9 million for his final season, the roster permutations would seem to be:

    Gronkowski
    Hernandez
    Harvin
    Edelman
    Welker
    Minimum salary type guy/lucky find

    Gronkowski
    Hernandez
    Harvin
    Edelman
    Lloyd
    Minimum salary type guy/lucky find

    Gronkowski
    Hernandez
    Harvin
    Edelman
    Welker
    Lloyd


    My personal preference would be to re-sign Welker, keep Lloyd and Edelman, and use that second rounder to bring in a rookie WR, but I can see merit in going in one of the above directions, so I thought I'd toss the idea out there for some feedback.
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    I'm with your personal preference. Though drafting is always a risk I hate a 2nd for a one year rental. Use the Harvin cap $ to sign a safety.
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    Feel free to merge my thread with this one....submitted at the same time. As I wrote, I'd give up more than a #2 if they can agree to an extension first. If not, I'd give up a #2 and take the chance at losing him after two years (one franchise tag year).

    Harvin, Lloyd, Edelman, draft WR and/or FA like Gibson, Gronk, Hernandez, Ballard.
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    In a heartbeat I would bring in Harvin who would be a dangerous weapon to have and then go get DHB and we have a explosive wide receiver combo if I could get harvin for a a second I would draft Austin with my 1st and give defenses fits for years .
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    A) I think that we would only want him if we could have a long-term contract. Using our 2nd and then some for a one year rental doesn't seem reasonable.

    B) If this happened, I would expect Welker to be the man out.
    Gronk, Hernandez, Ballard, Harvin, Lloyd, Edelman does seem to work.
    Obviously, we could also add a backup (as an upgrade to Ebert) to complete the unit.

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    Harvin likely to be on the trading block

    Only guy I'd ditch Welker for.

    Though a first for one year is far far too steep.
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    Yes, years more of watching us lose out on the Lombardi as the below par defense cannot hold
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    They all still address the D. Free agency will be loaded with options after cuts. The top 3 rounds of the draft will be helpful as well. I hope for a trade down from 29 to get more picks on Day 2/3.
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    I would. Because, it would allow us to re-up Talib and sign a safety. Then, I'd be looking for a cheap back-up T and OLB. Give Cannon a shot at RT. Hopefully, said OLB can play in the nickel.

    We'd trade down from 1 to get an extra three.

    2 - DT
    3A - WR
    3B - CB
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    That would seem like a 2010 Jets approach. 2014 would be rough for WR for us.

    1. Our #1 WR would be 33 years old
    2. Our #2 WR would be 33 years old.
    3. Harvin would be gone, signing somewhere for 7-9 million a year.
    4. No young depth at position. Considering all we would have in 2013 draft would be a 1, 3, 7, 7 with this trade.
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    I agree that the defense will be, and needs to be addressed in at least a couple/few areas, and that could certainly still happen with a deeper safety class and acquiring an extra pick in the process to have that additional 3rd rounder or single 4th rounder.

    On top of that I think your point is very good that we will go about addressing and fixing certain issues via lots of cap casualties and roster cuts too, along with lesser level free agents and UDFAs.

    Either way you cut it, I am personally seeing better things on that side of the ball. We developed some rookies this year, getting them very valuable reps in the process, actually more than I even really expected for the 4 guy lot(Wilson, Jones, Dennard, Hightower). We will have a full year of McCourty playing FS, which automatically makes the position itself better. Going to a more aggressive scheme obviously made a quick improvement, as the personnel allowed that to happen.

    There are also players that are coming in or coming back for competition spots in the likes of the 2 CFL players and guys like Pryor and Dowling, who may/may not make the roster. That right there will add some competition.

    Of course this is also coming from someone who doesn't necessarily think that we're quite as "strapped" via the salary cap as some seem to think, so keep in mind that is nothing more than a personal opinion--as always.

    I don't think that Belichick is going to stop now, and I think this defense should be looking up and making more progression.
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    of course, but the contract makes this moot.
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    It basically postpones the 'Welker' decision for a year if you let Welker go and keep Harvin, at the cost of a second round pick. To keep Harvin moving forward is probably going to cost something similar to what Welker would cost, only for more years.
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    yes. If they intend on letting welker walk..then you need someone talented to take over his spot. He is only 24 years old
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    Only trade for him if he signs an extension. Would be great if he'd agree to keep the last year of his current deal so he doesn't get the big money til next season.
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    I wouldn't do it. No guarantee he shows at least before camp or the season as he's been threatening to hold out since last season. WR's have a hard time picking up this system even when they are all in. He's had some injury issues too plus the migraines. I recall reading a while back that he misses practices even if not games, and that would be a tough sell here. Someone with a higher two and more change to swap will also be willing to give him that deal he's been hankering for.
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    Re: Harvin likely to be on the trading block

    If I am the Pats, the only way I'd trade for Harvin is if we'd been given permission to talk to him ahead of time and agreed to a 5 year extension.

    That and Brady had invited him over to "throw the ball around" to see if he could acclimate to Brady.. :D
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    I don't think there's any chance of it being a one year thing. There were reports that Harvin saw this past season as his contract year and expects a long term contract from somebody this offseason.

    A second plus $10M a year too much. Even if the Pats could get him for a third plus a fourth (which they don't have right now), that new contract would be prohibitive. At least in my opinion, it'd require that Welker, Talib, and Vollmer all leave, which would put a lot of pressure on the Pats to go CB in the first.
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    It depends on what decision they have made regarding Welker. Although I would love to see both here I don't believe they would do that. If they have decided to move on from Welker then I would give their first for Harvin if he has a long term deal in place. Players who have proven they can play at a really high level in the NFL are almost always worth the pick, which is a crapshoot even in the best of circumstances. Harvin gives them many of Welker's attributes with more explosiveness. Harvin also gives them a little more flexibility in terms of his abilities outside.

    I want Welker here for the rest of Brady's career but if that isn't going to happen then Harvin is not only the best other option but the most possible option. The Larry Fitzgerald idea is a pipedream and I wouldn't take Boldin unless he was low rent. He had a great play-off run but his season overall was really mediocre.
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    If they can sign him to a deal of somewhere around 5 yrs 50 million I would do this. I'd give Welker the same deal if he was 24-28 years old.

    Very explosive player out of the slot, can go deep and a valuable threat on special teams every time he touches the ball. Put Demps beside him and that is a nice duo back

    It all comes down to if the Vikings allow the Pats to negotiate a deal. I'm not giving a 2nd rounder for a 1 year rental.
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    The only way I'd support obtaining Harvin is if a long term deal could be established as part of the deal. Otherwise, as another poster has stated, we would be in rough shape a year from now.

    Having said that, Harvin is one of the few talents that could replace Welker and may come a bit cheaper.

    I would be happy with a the following

    Lloyd
    Harvin
    Edelman/Rookie WR

    Hopefully that rookie RB would then be able to step in for Lloyd in a year or two.

    But a long term deal for Harvin is a must.

    The other consideration if if you go after Harvin, you are using a high pick on him. Which means you are using a later pick on the rookie WR. Developmental projects, which that late WR would be, dont always work out.

    I would still prefer Lloyd Welker Edelman for 2013-14.
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    Wow, thought the pats had 20 million in cap space. Just read on this board that they have 14 million. That changes things quite a bit. Can't see how they would fit a deal with either Welker or Harvin along with signing either Talib or Vollmer. Not to mention all the unsung contributing players that are viable to success here. There would have to be some serious restructuring somewhere to make things happen.
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    Re: Harvin likely to be on the trading block

    Sign the beast!
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    A one year rental that's an injury risk. No thanks.
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    Re: Harvin likely to be on the trading block

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    If the Patriots could trade Ryan Mallett to the Browns for at least a second round pick and if Harvin agreed to a long term extension on that trade then absolutely. If not, no thanks.
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    The 14 million dollar number that you see today is after the 4 million or so that it will take to sign the rookies, although that bridge can be crossed in the summertime.

    Both numbers are correct to some degree, but the closer projection would be about 18 million at the moment.

    Like I said, guys will be cut to clear up some space (Fells could free up another million), and guys will be added--so it's an ever changing exercise.

    There are also potential extensions for both Brady and Wilfork (definitely at least Brady, as his cap hit needs to be restructured this yr), which would be beneficial to the cap space this year too, so there are the usual amount of options that we see every single year.
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