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Would you give the Eagles a 7th round pick for CB Nnamdi Asomugha?

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  1. PATRIOTSFANINPA

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    Don’t rule out an Asomugha trade | ProFootballTalk

    Never seen a player that was so great on one team (Oakland) and considered the best in the league at his position not even 5 years ago look so horrid on another (Philly) in just a few years time.

    Was he just a bad fit in Philly or has injuries taken its toll on him?...he is 32 and he looked pretty bad last year.

    The Eagles might very well keep Nhamdi and ask for a low round draft pick in exchange.....Would you offer a 7th rounder for him if they don't outright cut him?
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    I would. The reason for me is that i think the pats need some veteran leadership in their secondary to make sure everyone knows where they need to be at all times. That has seemed to be half the battle with this team's coverage woes. 1st it was McCourty's off year when he had no idea what the safteys were doing. Then Chung's regression, Rookie starters last year with promise.

    I just think throwing in Asomugha would help this team and a 7th isn't a high price if his contract demands are reasonable.
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    7th? yeah i would
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    I would as well,even if Asomugha has little left he could offer some mentor help to the younger guys and from what I have heard,he is a good locker room guy.

    With this year and the team only having a handful of draft picks,I am not sure if they will give up any unless they get more picks in the later rounds by trading away their first rounder.
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    I wouldn't trade for him, only because his contract pays him way too much. Once the Eagles release him, though (and they are going to release him), I'd love to see the Pats pick him up on more reasonable money. He would be a good fit here in the same role that Talib plays/played.

    He hasn't missed a game since he signed with Philly, so I don't know why injuries would be a concern.
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    We need a smaller contract, so no. Trading for him means we have to overpay in salary unless he agreed to a new/revised deal like Moss deal in the trade that brought him to NE

    But as a free agent I'd be all over him, like BO on a Jets fan.
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    I know he had suffered a neck injury last year in december and from what i have heard it had affected him a bit but he missed no time.

    If that neck has fully healed he could be a decent signing for no big money and a low draft pick IF the Eagles keep him to try and get something for the 4M they owe him this year.

    He is not worth 4M basing it on recent performance and I assume he won't be expecting that somewhere else.

    its hard to believe that its almost exactly just 3 years since a thread was started on this http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ha-could-had-nice-trade-could-work-page3.html
    ...and at that time,he was worth a TON of money on the market...3 years has made quite a difference.
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    No. That guys has never been on a team with a winning record. Say what you want, but that tells me something. He is done. Plain and simple. Done.
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    It all depends on what you consider "big money." Asomugah had a 15 million dollar cap hit this season, so PHI will be saving 11 million by cutting or trading him. They'll still be paying the 4 million dollars regardless, so I'm not sure why you are including that as a potential starting point for salary? The 4 million dollars doesn't have anything to do with anything, besides the fact that PHI could get something in return with a low round draft pick.

    They'll either be paying him the 4 million dollar bonus if they cut him, or they'll be paying the 4 million dollar bonus if they trade him. Obviously the trading option is better because they'd get something in return for the 4 million.

    Asomugah isn't going to see the double digit yearly aav that he was seeing in Oakland and Philly, but he'll probably still be seeing something in the 6-7 million dollar range with all of the other CBs like Chris Gamble, DRC, etc.

    If that is considered "cheap" to you, then fine, but the 4 million dollar bonus from Philly has nothing to do with it. He's going to certainly be seeing more than 4 million dollars a year. Kyle Arrington may end up seeing around 4 million dollars a year from another team and he's only a nickel CB who was an UDFA. Asomugah still has quite a reputation based on his shutdown status of being the top CB in the game a few yrs ago.
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    It tells me that he played on the Raiders and Eagles (post Vick-$100M-contract).
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    I think if the money is right, you'd have to at least give him a thought.

    I think that either one of DRC or Asomugah could be candidates, but it would have to be a cautious kind of pact. There's a very good chance that some team is going to overpay for both of them.

    I don't see either one deserving of more than about 6 million a year, but that's just me. The market will almost surely dictate nothing less than 5 million, especially when mediocre nickel back CBs are getting 3.5--4 million a year.
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    Corey Dillon says hello. The best he did before helping us win a Super Bowl was 8-8.

    As for trading for Asomugha, eh, I'm good either way.
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    Would you give the Eagles a 7th round pick for Asomugha?

    Yes if he restructured his contract. No if he wouldn't.
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    I want the Patriots to take a shot on him but not through a trade of any thing meaningful.
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    Would you give the Eagles a 7th round pick for Asomugha?

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...i-asomugha-restructure-resist-offset/1969153/

    He know they will cut him if he doesn't restructure so he has to want out of Phil.
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    Would you give the Eagles a 7th round pick for Asomugha?

    He is only 31 so I'd assume he has 2-3 years left in him. Not a guy who has taken a ton of abuse over the years.
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    He's proven to be vastly overrated. Still worth it if he's cut and the price is right.
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    Just looked at the contract, holy crap. $15.5M. I wouldn't trade a bag of footballs for him at that price. :bricks:
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    Keep in mind that no one's going to take on his old contract. They'll have to re-do a new one at a much friendlier deal or they couldn't find a trading partner.

    He'll probably just be cut anyway, and the same thing will happen. He'll have to agree to a reasonable deal or no one will want him.
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    From this article, it sounds like he doesn't want to change it for Philly because there's no offset language in his guarantee so it's in his best interest to get cut.

    He'll get $4M from Philly no matter what, plus whatever another team gives him if he doesn't tweak the contract and just waits.
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    I'd absolutely give him a shot if the price was right. Get him out of that garbage zone Philly plays and put him back in Man coverage where he excels. Philly's safeties are far from solid. Looked like the Patriots were starting to play a lot of man with the corners last year and there was improvement back there. Pair him up with Talib with an improved secondary and I think the secondary issues are finally solved.

    This isn't the only route to improve the backfield but worth entertaining.
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    Yup, he costs too much against the cap to trade for. Besides Philly has to cut him. He ain't worth 15m per year any more.

    Report: Eagles to cut Asomugha today | ProFootballTalk
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    In my opinion, he is worth a seventh rounder. His contract, however, is not.
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    He's not vastly over rared. There is no question that at one time he was a top five CB. For some reason he hasn't been close to that with the Eagles. Even at 32 it's hard to believe he's slipped that far. If anyone needed a fresh start its him.

    Personally I all think his conkract makes it impossible for the eagles to keep him. He's certainly worth a 7th rounder, but I don't think it's necessary to use it. The other thing that I think make him so attractive to the Pats is th $4MM he is getting from the Eagles regardless. He needs a prove it year, and that money will allow a team like the Pats to construct a 3 year deal with first year costing the team just 3-5MM. That way he'll get his $8-10MM in 2013 and the team a relatively allow cost one year rental if he isn't a true #1 CB anymore.

    We need a big physical CB to line up against the ABoldens of the league. At best Aso can be that guy short term. At lowest he could be a savvy veteran big CB like Otis Smith was in 2001
    Definitely worth a look in the same vein Rashid Mathis is.
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    People saying he is done clearly didn't watch him play this year.

    This year he was statistically as good as any year in Oakland. He's just getting more press in Philadelphia as opposed to Oakland and the Eagles get much more press for being bad than the Raiders did.

    He's still an elite corner. People just hear he is playing bad and keep recycling it as if they know he is and it's snowballed. He's played really well and was way better than Talib was this past season for us.


    That being said I wouldn't trade for him at that cap hit because you can't pay that much to a corner and expect to win, even if he is worth it in a vacuum (Revis). Because at the end of the day, he is still just a corner. You win in the trenches, not in the secondary. The Rex Ryan/Al Davis/Snyder method has proven to be unsustainable and Belichicks method of a run stuffing strong front 7 with mediocrity at corner has worked for a long time.
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    At 32 he can still play but we don't know how well anymore since his days in Philly were o.k. but unspectacular compared to his Raider days .....could it be he needs a change in scenery?or is he on the rapid decline like Champ Bailey?

    Because even in decline he is probably still better than most CBs,I would think 5M for a season is reasonable and if he shows his former self in 2013,then a much more profitable contract to deal with in 2014 would be in the works.
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    Um, yeah. If he sucks and is the guy who used to be Asomugha, cut him.

    Only a 7th? What's the catch?
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    If he sucks or won't renegotiate, cut him before the season starts - unless there is a big roster bonus or something there is minimal risk. Contacts are not guaranteed like in baseball.
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    The catch is the price of the new contract they'd have to do. No one is going to take on the cap hit of the current deal in his last year.

    And they also wouldn't be able to cut him as easily as some may think. He'll come cheaper, yes, but there will still be at least a handful of interested teams that would compete for his services. I'd have to guess that he'll be asking for something in the 6 million dollar a year range, as an approximate value. We may be able to luck out and get him for something a little less, but he'd still be making Leigh Bodden money in terms of aav (without the 4 yr deal or guaranteed money though). I think they'd definitely be stuck with him for at least a year if he played poorly.
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    Does anyone need to "re-emphasize" how the game has become more passing oriented.
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