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Would you give Marty another chance?

Poll closed Jan 26, 2007.
  1. Yes. BB can make any other coach look foolish.

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  2. No. Martyball will never die.

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  1. ctpatsfan77

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    14-2 this season . . . but 0-1 when it really counts. He's 5-13 in his career.

    If you were the GM/owner of the Chargers, would you give him a second chance?
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    You cannot fire a 14-2 coach. Period.
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    I dont know but Marty looked pretty damn bad with some ridiculous decisions Sunday.
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    He's had a great season, done well with his players.
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    I'm in the DC area, and they had him in town coaching the 'Skins a couple of years. As I recall, took them to the playoffs once, maybe not even that. But basically, he was increasing their win totals.

    Washington's answer? Fire shotty. He can't win the big games.

    Now Washington is watching at home again. Sure they went last year, but with Shotty and some stability, Snyder would basically have had a Chargers-like team by now.

    Yanno what? Worry about not winning the big ones when you're consistently playing in the big ones. Worry about getting there and staying there first.

    Shottenheimer racks up regular season wins, and eventually will probably get that big game monkey off his back. Don't pull the plug on him yet.

    Wow. Pull the plug... is that like "lights out"?

    PFnV
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    I voted yes, but I'd have to hedge my answer with first being able to find a more qualified guy. Has to be somebody out there, though. Look at what Mangini did with the Jets. Also, your wording really pushes people into a yes answer with the Belichik qualifier.
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    I don't give Marty the credit for such a great season. Look at the groceries AJ Smith got for him and they're eating TV dinners after their 1st playoff game. I say can 'em.
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    If it were my call he'd be gone. It is not just a coincidence that all the inexplicable things happen to him in the playoffs. It doesn't matter where he goes, or how much time passes, it's the same result. This year might have even been the worst of all his choke jobs because this is the most talented team he has ever had.
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    I just don't know who you're going to get that's any better. They seemed a step away this year and you don't want to be taking backwards steps right now.

    That said, I think the telecast made him look pretty bad on Sunday. He had some weird brown spittle thing on his face for much of the 4th quarter, when things started going bad. The he-doesn't-wear-a-headset comes across as quirky and old-school when you're winning, but looks a bit like you're stuck in a time warp when you lose a big game. And of all the crazy decisions, the challenge on the interception/fumble was the one that would make me most concerned if I were a Chargers fan. The bottom line is that wishing something wasn't true to be true is not a reason to challenge.

    One of the other things about the challenge to note is that it was his last. As I learned here in this very forum last week, a coach only gets a third challenge if his first two were successful, so Marty was not just using up a time out but also using up his right to challenge any additional big plays that occurred before the 2 minute warning.
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    Crap I voted for the wrong one because the thread title is the opposite of the poll question.

    The title is "would you fire Marty," so I said yes, not knowing the poll question actually was "would you give Marty another chance?"
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    I say no,14-2 regular season is a major accomplishment.The playoff record is abysmal,I agree,but only two of those games are with this team.I think he deserves another shot with this team next year.Then can his ass.
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    I think the 14-2 season just makes the loss that much worse.
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    No. I want him coaching a team that we may play again next year so he can be the timeout-burnin', 4th and 11 tryin', old-school playoff wizard that he is.
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2007
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    Ok then, it makes him 14-3. That's still pretty damn good.
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    Exactly. They were dam god. Which is why getting bounced in their first game in execusable (in my eyes as an owner.)

    When a team is that talented, and they lose, chances are the coach did a lot to fvck it up.
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    So they couldn't get over the hump. Neither do 31 other teams. They also lost to a team who's won 3 out of the last 5 SB's. It's nothing to be ashamed of or to lose your job over.
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    They probably shouldn't fire him,but I would. UNLESS he promised to somehow get that team under control. Steroids,arrests,grandstanding,trash-talking,the "pep rally" where the team was screaming Brady S*cks,Bust him in the mouth,etcetc. And his lack of control over that team is one reson they lost the game,and they totally lost whatever cool they had at the end.
    And the BS continues on,as we speak. That's a coach who has NO control,no discipline,and not even control over his own QB.
    Also,from what I've heard,San Diego is a city in Mourning. Serious mourning. They had a parade planned,they were talking SB,they shut out Pats fans hoping to rally up and expand "Charger Nation". If he shows up on that field next year heads will roll. Those fans will never trust a 14-2 record again if it's under Marty Schottenheimer and I don't care who his players are. He proved that Sunday. The San Diego Chargers are locked and loaded. That team should not have lost,and probably wouldn't have had they played another team besides the Pats. Another thing he's guilty of-underestimating his opponent.
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    If it were any other coach I would agree. But Marty Schottenheimer has been doing this FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS. This is what he doesn. It's not a coincidence. He can't get it done.
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    Yeah the poll question is a little messed up compared to the thread title. I think original poster should change thread title to match the question. I almost picked opposite of what I wanted to vote at first. Had to reread that question.

    It also sounds deceptive when you say "marty ball will never die" sounds like a poll answer that would support Marty rather than want to fire him.

    Anyways answering the question to this thread. Let me put it to you another way. If BB retired tomorrow and Marty took over. Then Marty led the Pats to a 14-2 record just to lose in the playoffs. Would we can him?

    Let's see, were we afraid to can Pete Carroll? No. Would we be afraid to can Marty? No. In New England the standard is the Superbowl now. Marty would be gone in a blink and Kraft would be pleading for BB to come out of retirement.

    So should the Chargers fire Marty? Yes. If their aim is to win the Superbowl.
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    Well I guess they could hire one of our coordinators after the season is over...
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    This was the first season that the Chargers were expected to, at least, reach the SB. He didn't make it. It's disappointing but he's helped bring life to a once morbid franchise. They've got talent and further years to accomplish their goals. The players like him too.

    As Ron Burgundy would say, "Agree to disagree."
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    I absolutely understand what you are saying, but making them a good team is all Schottenheimer can do. He is 5-13 in the postseason and is the coach with the most regular season wins to never make a Superbowl appearance. I think if the Chargers want to take the next step they need to look elsewhere.
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2007
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    That pretty much sums it up.
    Also,in addition to what happened Sunday,that playoff record shows there's just something weirdly wrong somewhere.
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    Fire him. Giving LT the ball only 8 times in the 2nd half was inexcusable. Following up a 1st down run of 5 yards with two (incomplete) passes on their penultimate possession was ridiculous. The guy was so concerned about his Martyball reputation that he turns it on his head *with no rhyme or reason*. Instead of passing because the Pats were stuffing the run, he passed for the sake of passing. What is that crap?

    Regards,
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    Marty is a damn good coach. The vast majority of coaches don't get to the Superbowl, and a similarly small number get 14-2 seasons. Can't fire Marty unless you can find someone better, but there aren't many out there.
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    His underuse of LT, I still can't figure that one out. He's one of the players that got you there to begin with,so play him. He's a beast.
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    I think Marty has earned at least another season. A lot has been made of his terrible postseason record, but it's not like he was 5-13 in playoff games with the Chargers.

    What he did coaching other teams is irrelevant to his current situation. It would be like Kraft dumping BB for something he did coaching the Browns.

    Marty should be given the benefit of the doubt that he can learn something from this failure and be a better coach next time...just like BB learned from his failures in Cleveland.

    Of course, if he screws up a bye again next year...
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    This analysis draws no parallel. Bill Belichick coached for a a few years with the Browns, won one playoff game, and lost one. He also won two Superbowls as a coordinator. What Marty has been doing as stretched over 20 years with four different teams. Failure over a short period in one situation is not the same thing as failure over a long period in many situations.
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    Exactly. If you hire a person with a long history of failure to run your business,hoping that given all the right personnel the person will make it succeed but still that person doesn't,then it's obvious where the problem lies. Whether you fire that person or not is another issue,but you don't keep him based just on hope that all lessons were learned and suddenly 20 years will be erased after one game. I don't disrespect Marty,he's been around a long time and is a good coach,but it's pretty obvious by now that something's missing.
    It's sad that after all those years,not winning in the playoffs seems to be what he'll be remembered for.
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    Actually, you can. You call him into your office and say, "You're fired." It's not hard. Of course, I would have fired him a long time ago if I owned the Chargers. Actually, I never would have hired him. He's a big fraud.

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