Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by PatsFanInVa, Nov 3, 2012.
Would you eliminate FEMA?
No, you need a large agency with all of its resources to manage the big picture of these ever increasing large scale disasters...
The reality is most of the actual disaster recovery post search and rescue is performed by NGO's and volunteer organizations... but they do not have the pull to get really big things done..
I have worked with FEMA on several post disaster volunteer work assignments, they have been professional and have the resources and political pull to get things done..
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I'd eliminate The President (we might)
When is the government going to come up with a new agency, and I'm sure they will, to deal with the man made disaster of FEMA?
You know another 100,000 bureaucrat agency to aid what is the disaster of FEMA. I'm sure we will see it by the end of another Obama term.
You know because Obama is now wanting a secretary of business, because he is absolutley clueless when it comes to business.
Today, FEMA a 2,500-person agency supplemented by over 5,000 stand-by disaster reservists. Its been around since 1938.
First "nice job Brownie" criticizes Obama for doing something early.. and now they criticize him for continuing to do things.. he is not going to muck houses...
This morning according to the AP...
On Friday, responding to severe fuel shortages in storm-affected areas, the White House ordered the Department of Defense to "deliver 12 million gallons each of gasoline and diesel fuel, mostly from commercial suppliers, to staging areas in New Jersey," according to The New York Times. It also authorized the tapping of the Northeast Home Heating Oil Reserve for the first time.
They are also flying 17 military planes full of bucket trucks and other heavy equipment from California to NJ..
I'm agin' it. While local and state agencies are primary, FEMA acts as a way to pool the risk of large events so that the resources are available at time of need. It is not possible for each state to carry that risk individually.
You aren't PFiVA! Your brief post tells us you're an imposter...
Eliminate? No. Reorganize and restructure? Yes. There is no justification for handing people who live in half million dollar homes, with an insurance policy, who earn well over six-figures, $1500ish checks cuz they got some water in their basement and the rugs were ruined. That's ridiculous. Worse, were the $2,500 they were paying contractors after Katrina, to staples blue tarps over people's roofs, if they they claimed to have a leak. I hate to sound like a broken record, but just like it is with a lot of things government, it's not so much "its" existence, it's the extent or degree.
Are you speaking of Bush's FEMA or the FEMA of today??
There has been major changes to the agency, it has essentially been reorganized and restructured.....
Same government idiots that want to run YOUR healthcare.
Unbelievable. How stupid do you have to be.
I don't know if your right or not, I think it just needed competent people to run it. The only time it seemed to fail was with good old brownie the arabian horse judge at the helm.
Same diff, same bureaucrats.
The biggest diff between Katrina and Sandra was the response of local officials. Even in the Katrina hurricane, MS & Ala fared far bett than LA because their governors and they didn't have R Nagin running a city.
Department of Defense setting up free, emergency gas stations in NYC metro area - NYPOST.com
What could go wrong? Biden cleaning your windshield?
Their governors were Republicans.. Nagin was a Democrat.
Only shows you have no idea what you are talking about, that disaster is not just a talking point.. NOLA had 80% of the damage, while Miss and Al had 20% of the damage...
Barbour was a long time Republican Operative and governor of Mississippi and played the game well, for which he was rewarded...
Nagin should take some blame, but for Louisiana there is plenty of blame to go around.. the governor, FEMA, Army Corps of Engineers and many other contributed to that mess...
Not sure you can fathom the magnitude of destruction from that storm.. "Nice Job Brownie", was an epithet that symbolized the nonchalant attitude of George W.
FEMA performs a service that is actually part of the government's job, to protect it's citizens. This isn't the postal "service" that we're talking about here, or the host of other government agencies that waste our tax dollars.
Unfortunately, many of the same people who criticized our President and FEMA for Katrina and the aftermath then are, laughingly, taking shots at men running against the current sitting President for the same exact situation that exists now. Funny how that works.
My son's company will be assisting FEMA in the NY/NJ area as soon as the initial response teams have cleaned up a little. Hopefully, FEMA will be around long enough for him to go there and come back. He's excited about the chance.
Christie is no dummy for praising Obama's response to the crisis on the eve of the election. He knows Mitt is a goner.
Hey 1960 - even though it's totally fallen off since e-mail, people still want an envelope going up to 3000 miles somehow for less that 50 cents.
You set up the private company that does that, and the postal service can go away tomorrow.
Agree w/you that FEMA's a necessity.
As to the question of FEMA writing big checks for people who are already rich (not you, the ideological crew):
1) Links would be good, and more importantly,
2) So you're saying that disasters should be opportunities for redistributionism and picking winners and losers?
I can sort of see where you're coming from with (2), above... although my understanding is that the vast majority of material disaster relief does, in fact, go to those who can't foot the bill on their own. So you already have what you say (just for this thread) you want.
I think it should be decentralized, and cease to exist in its current form. States need money when disasters strike, not bureaucracy.
FEMA performed abysmally during Katrina.
FEMA performed abysmally during the Gulf Oil Spill.
FEMA is performing abysmally right now.
And the governor of Louisiana was with what party...
Compared with what?
That's the point ... they are abysmal across the board.
The poster was specifically speaking of Nagin, who was the Mayor of NOLA... and a flaccid response to blame him alone.
The reality is that more money was allocated to Mississippi per capita than it was to New Orleans, and NOLA had much more destruction...
Remember that inspirational moment when Bush was walking with Trent Locke in Miss, and he commented â€śOut of the rubbles of Trent Lottâ€™s house â€“ heâ€™s lost his entire house â€“ thereâ€™s going to be a fantastic house,â€ť Bush joshed. â€śAnd Iâ€™m looking forward to sitting on the porch.â€ť
What a goofball he was..
Our tax dollars are why the post office can do that for less than $.50. I'm not sure what the difference would be if it were a competitive market and we had a real choice. For all we know it might be cheaper and/or more efficient that way. As it is now, those private companies exist but are in competition with the USPS and it's bottomless pit of funding.
I'm glad that the majority of disaster relief ends up in the right places, but right now I'm still trying to figure out what Barack Hussein Obama did with the 850 billion.
That doesn't seem like a bad option.
Translation: I don't want to answer the question.
We have a private model. I don't know any FedEx or UPS product that goes across town for 50 cents, never mind across the country. Then you have zone upon zone markups. That's the cheapest they can do it.
By the way, leave it to the right to crow about the Constitution then turn all pragmatic about destroying Article 1, which explicitly talks about "post offices" as one of the legit objects of government. Since the "post roads" supporting them are actually the easiest Constitutional argument for highways, I can easily see them pronounce federal highways unconstitutional once they unconstitutionally take away the country's ability to establish post offices
Good ol' situational constitutionalism.
States do not have the resources to release the reserve heating oil, breakthrough regulations to allow gas barges to get to the effected area, are not able to position 3 helicopter aircraft carriers off of the Coast of NJ or utilize 17 military cargo planes to bring in equipment from California...
States also,when allocated money, tend to spend it otherwise...
Folks with this stance do not comprehend the extent of the destruction and the amount of resources and coordination it takes to fix this mess...
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