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Would you bring Mangini back if it guaranteed a SB victory?

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    Just a hypothetical... if you had a guarantee that the Pats would win the SB in 2013, would it be worth it? Or is this a case where the principle is more important?

    It is obvious that if the Pats would ever consider bringing in a guy to fix the defense, Mangini is the right guy strictly from a professional standpoint. I think it's clear as day now that he was the mastermind behind the Jets talent evaluation, drafting Darelle Revis, along with late round role players like Coleman, Lowery, and E Smith. The guy can evaluate and coach talent on defense, particularly in the secondary.

    For the record, I would say yes for the hypothetical, but no in reality, as obviously there is no guarantee. While I hate what Mangini did with Spygate, I honestly do not think he had any idea of the media storm that would ensue. I believe he just got caught up in the moment of competition, thought he would 1-up Belichick, and was as shocked as everyone else about the ensuing witch hunt, ridiculous allegations, and zoo-like atmosphere of Patriot haters and conspiracy theorists that emerged from the sewers. Still, I don't think it would be worth bringing back Mangini because of the humiliation he brought to the franchise.
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    If it would guarantee a SB victory, I'd bring back Eric Mangini, Rod Rust, Clive Rush, Pat the lush, and anybody else you could think of or dig up.
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    No a million times no. He clearly regrets what he did, but I think that's only because of the backlash. He showed his true colors by repeatedly stabbing the man who built his career in the back.
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    Yes.

    As a DB coach he would transform the secondary, that looks like where his main ability sits.

    I don't care who the coaching staff are as long as it means Lombardis.

    Add Crennel/Ryan & Mangini and you would see a drastically improved defense to compliment what is already one of the best offenses.
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    I'd bring back Jeffry Dahmer for a guaranteed SB.
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    So the only way we'd win the Superbowl is if we brought Mangini back.

    could I bring him out on the lake fishing afterwards?
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    I would bring Rod Rust back before Mangini :eek:
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    without question. Is there anyone who wouldn't want Mangini back if it guaranteed another SB win?
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    Some would even trade Brady and start Mallett if it meant another SB title
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    Yeah,Jeffery knows how to 'freeze' a man on defense,chop him up like a sardine and eat him for lunch :eek:
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    Since there can be no guarantee of this nature, the question itself is meaningless.

    If the real question is, are there any circumstances under which I would want the Rat back with the Patriots organization in any way, shape or form? The answer is no.
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    Yep,We might as well also rehire Matt Walsh back as Videographer for the Pats as well while we are at it.
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    Would this be the same Mangini Bill functionally demoted in his one and only season here as a DC? No thanks. And he gets way too much credit for being some secondary genius. Bet the whateverhisnameis who is coaching them now would look like a genius if he had Rodney Harrison or a motivated, young Lawyer Milloy directing his secondary chorus or Ty Law shutting down half the his field. Eric still had Asante and Eugene Wilson in 2005 and absent Rodney that secondary was a cluster****. If Bill could locate reasonable facimilies for a lot of former players I guarantee you he'd bring them back. Eric on the other hand, not likely in my lifetime.
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    So would you say it's just a coincidence that Law, Samuel, Revis and Haden were/are very good/elite CBs after Mangini coached them?
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    It's too bad Rodney fell into his gig at NBC. I always thought he would make a great coach in blending his functional knowledge of how defenses work with his enthusiasm. I wouldn't want to be a DB who blew an assignment and had to go face him that's for sure. I wonder if Bill will try to steal Vrabel from the OSU at some point.
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    So indirectly (friend of a friend) supposedly Mangini was trying to play mind games with Bill and it blew up because the Jets FO wanted to run with it. Supposedly Mangini did the same taping stuff as the Patriots so he would be the last one to want the league to get involved as they did.

    I'm actually more annoyed with Mangini over him trying to recruit coaches right after our last game in 2005 than I am with what went down that day because unlike all of the others here who think he's a rat or whatever I think he never intended for it to get as big as it did.

    The thing is the defense sucked under Mangini so I'd need that SB guaranteed.
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    I would hire Mangini in a minute. He is vastly superior to both of defensive backs coaches. I might note that Kraft was not to happy with Belichick over the spygate incident. Blame Mangini if you must. Blame Goodell. Kraft puts the blame elsewhere. That being said, I don't think that Belichick will bring back Mangini.

    To me, this type of decision is not about the past. It is about the future. We welcomed Josh back. We welcomed Branch back. I would welcome Mangini back (or Romeo for that matter).
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    If we could enforce that he must fashion his hair into a pink mohawk and wear a skirt and high heels on the sideline while coaching, then yes I'm all for it.
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    I rather not go to the playoffs than have that ungrateful rat on the Patriots bench.
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    Agreed. Pro football is a cutthroat business, and Mangini was clearly trying to get a leg up on the Patriots. Well, it bit him in the butt and it caused all sorts of problems for the Patriots, but the fact is, if Belichick and Kraft could forgive him and bring him in, and it guaranteed (big IF) the Pats a SB title, who am I to complain about that?
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    Can we bring back young Ty Law and middle aged Rodney Harrison too?
    Hell, bring back Roman Phifer as well!!

    In fact, if we get those guys back, screw Mangini. Matt Patricia's dog could coach those guys to the SB.
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    Yes I would. I remember a secondary with the likes of Randall Gay, Troy Brown, and Eugene Wilson getting significant snaps, yet it was our best playoff run in franchise history. And whenever QB's would loft up prayers they knew how to defend it a vast majority of the time (I can recall one bomb to Pinkston in sb39 otherwise this play was always well defended by those guys). You didn't see our top CB's getting toasted by the likes of Jacoby Jones and Golden Tate on a normal basis. While personnel is still the main reason we haven't been getting it done like those teams, give credit where it's due to Romeo, Mangini, and company.
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    Thing is, they're teaching the DB's to play this way for a reason and whatever that reason is it is coming from BB. They could have the CB's jamming at the line, they could have them playing tight coverage and they could teach them to play the ball instead of the receiver's eyes but they don't.

    They don't need Mangini here to do any of those things and if BB lost his mind and gave that rat bastard a job he'd still be teaching the DB's to play the way BB wants them to. BB is comfortable sitting back, being patient and waiting for the other team to make a mistake. It's sometimes painful to watch but for whatever reason this is how he wants to play, hiring Mangini wouldn't change that. Do you think the need Mangini to come in say jam them at the line or play the ball instead of the receiver. It's about the philosophy more so than the coach.

    And if he is such a good coach, why is he still not employed as one?

    Maybe with the Talib trade along with Dennard getting more playing time with McCourty at S we'll see a change in their approach.
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    Just because Kraft was upset with BB doesn't mean he holds Mangini blameless. I'd bet he views Mangini as an ungrateful traitor.
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    I think you are misreading Kraft's quotes. And Branch and Josh never did anything like Mangini
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    "Ungrateful traitor" is indeed a characterization that folks on message boards use. The Krafts are business folk. If Belichick thought Mangini would improve the team, the Kraft's wouldn't challenge his football judgement. If Belichick could live with re-signing of Mangini, Kraft certainly wouldn't stand in the way.

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    How about instead we bring in Rex Ryan as DC when he gets fired at the end of the year?
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