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  1. jmt57

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    With all of the free agency additions, the Pats seemed to have solidified the roster better than most of us would have hoped for - with the exception of OLB. We know how picks at the very top of the draft are not considered to be the best value, because of the cost (high cap) and consequences of a possible bust.

    The Pats have three 2nds to go along with #23, as well as multiple day two picks. No matter how many players they select, there is still a 53-man roster limitation and the current lineup is fairly solid. So, would the Pats think about trading up for a 2nd mid-late 1st round pick if the value was good enough?


    Tampa Bay is a team that is clearly in the rebuilding mode. They have a new GM, new HC, new QB, and have cut almost all their veterans. The new regime will institute both a new offensive and defensive scheme, which means they need many new players. Their problem is they have traded away their #2 pick, have no compensatory picks, and the only round they have more than one pick in is the 7th. They are in need of upgrading and/or adding depth at DT, OLB, CB, DE, OT, and that's without even considering that Luke McCown will start at QB and Michael Clayton at WR.

    To me, the Bucs are a team in dire need of trading down, out of the first round, in exchange for multiple picks. Depending on who was available and what it would cost - say, a 2nd & 4th? - is this something that might be a 'win-win' for both teams? And if so, who - or what positions - would the Pats be looking at with #19 and #23?
     
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    I think there is a very high chance we trade up this year, and if not that we trade out into next year. Look at our roster, we just signed a bunch of guys and there aren't too many open spots, and not too many where a rookie could beat out even a backup.
     
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    I think there is a good chance that we use 89 and/or 120 to move up from 34 or 47 into the first.

    I think there is great advantage of having two firsts and two seconds.

    BTW, I don't want to trade into next year. I want to develop in 2009.

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    SIX PICKS - SIX NEEDS
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    As with know with BB expect the unexpected during the NFL draft. Who though on day 2 in 2007 Randy Moss would become a Patriot.
     
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    FS is not a need. Not even close.

    They could use some more depth at ILB, but BB is high on Guyton especially with the possibility of Bruschi returning for his final year. But in no way a NEED.

    The Only true NEED the patriots have this offseason is OLB. and SS for depth. Other than that there isnt anything this team absolutely needs.
     
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    nobody knows. but what i do know is that we should expect anything. we can move from 23 up into the top 3 and take curry if we wanted, or we could trade from 23 back into the 2nd round plus get a 3rd and use 2 of our 3 thirds to get a 5th 2nd round pick.

    i dont know what to expect, but i wouldnt be surprised at anything. based on the offseason thus far, this has been an amazing month for us patriots fans and i think 2009 will be a tremendous year if Brady stays healthy.

    good things boys and girls, good things
     
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    This draft is loaded at OT and OLB... two of the biggest Pats needs imo.
    We already settled CB and ILB last year, FS the year before... looking at our roster there really aren't any holes.
     
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    i think our biggest hole is OLB. we need a pass rush badly. i dont know if there are players in the draft we can plug in right away and expect much.

    we need S, OL, DL, ILB, OLB, CB, WR....in no particular order. with the amount of picks we have, i just hope we pick the best player available, regardless of position. i guess RB, TE, QB are 3 i would prefer to shy away from, although a playmaking TE would be a pretty nice luxury
     
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    I think SS is a need. Rodney isn't coming back, kiddies.
     
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    I am of the belief that Shawn Springs will play some safety. A rotation of Meriweather, Sanders, and Springs is solid.
     
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    Yeah, maybe Bill is moving away from the brainsmasher style of safety, but if he isn't none of those guys fit the bill. I DO NOT want to see Meri or Springs hitting IR.
     
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    We need a backup free safety and a backup strong safety for the future. The fact that Springs may or may not play some safety for 2009 is not relevant to the long term need.

    Also, injuries do happen. I would not be Ok with going into the season with Springs being the first man off the bench at both free and strong safety.

     
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    Trade up for whom?

    Bill said that Safety was evolving into a much more coverage oriented positiion. Perhaps that's why the "least" of last year's DB acquisitions stayed and played, 6'1' 204 Lewis Sanders.

    But I also think the day of the TJ run stuffer ILB is gone as well. There is too much underneath coverage and inside Blitzing responsibilities needed from today's ILBs. :confused:
     
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    Good post.
    I agree. Quit postponing the replacements and go forward in 2009. To many FAs for 2010 and if it is uncapped? Who knows. Stockpiling picks might be a mistake in 2010.
    DW Toys
     
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    This is the perfect storm draft: a high quality draft in a year where we have lots of picks and few needs. It is also a draft with lots of fine players at the positions that we need upgraded. I don't know why so many want to move picks into 2010.

    BTW, it's not like the players who might be replaced are stars, or are porjected to be top contributers.

    QB Gutierrez
    RB/FB Green-Ellis
    OT O'Callaghan
    OG/C Yates
    OLB Redd
    ILB Rudd
    FS Spann
    swing DB Richardson
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    RB/FB (5) Taylor, Faulk, Morris, Maroney, (BJGE)
    WR (4) Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis
    TE (3) Watson, Baker, Thomas
    OT (4) Light, Kaczur, LeVoir, (O’Callaghan)
    OG/C (5) Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Hochstein, (Yates)

    DEFENSE (24)
    DL (6) Wilfork, Seymour, Warren, Green, Wright, Smith
    OLB (5) Thomas, Crable, Banta-Cain, Woods, (Redd)
    ILB (4) Mayo, Guyton, Bruschi, (Ruud/Alexander)
    CB (5) Hobbs, Bodden, Springs, Wheatley, Wilhite
    S (3) Meriweather, Sanders, (Spann)
    Utility DB (1) (Richardson)

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    P (1) Hanson
    LS (1) Hodel
    ST (2) Aiken, Slater

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    This is the New England Patriots. We DEFINATELY will not trade up this year. They will trade a pick or 2 to get us an extra late 1 or high 2 next year.

    Is there anyone here who's followed this team for more than the last couple years?
     
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    I'm not talking about trading up in to the top ten; I'm looking at possibly - if there was a certain player the Pats were targeting - using it to move up to #19.

    As far as never trading up, do you recall the trade for Chad Jackson, or moving up in 2003 to pick Eugene Wilson, Bethel Johnson, or Asante Samuel?
     
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    What do you expect from a poster who can't spell "definitely" right?
     
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    C'mon now, when was the last time we traded up in the 1st round?.

    You're right though, I can't spell you askhole.
     
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    Sure he is, he has just received his special 'red' phone that BB has issued him. He has been instructed to stay close to it. I believe Junior has one as well.
     
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