Welcome to PatsFans.com

Would the Patriots defense be better with Devin McCourty at safety?

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by PatsFans.com Article, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. PatsFans.com Article

    PatsFans.com Article Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2007
    Messages:
    3,203
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    Would the Patriots defense be better with Devin McCourty at safety?
    By: John Morgan

    One issue with the Pats pass defense is the weakness of the linebackers in pass coverage. Moving Devin McCourty permanently to safety could help the team in that area of the field by allowing for...

  2. PATRIOTSFANINPA

    PATRIOTSFANINPA Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    15,718
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    Since McCourty blows at corner,the obvious answer is YES
  3. PatsFan2

    PatsFan2 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2005
    Messages:
    2,502
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    Good idea on playing Free Safety that way McCourty can rome and more times that not he'll be facing the play...rather than playing with his back against the ball.
  4. PatsFan2

    PatsFan2 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2005
    Messages:
    2,502
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    I am one of his critics too but McCourty doesn't blow as much as Kyle Arrington!
  5. yukon cornelius

    yukon cornelius Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2011
    Messages:
    440
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    a good safety can make a corner better


    a bad safety can make a good corner worse



    if you are going to give dowling and dennard a shot on the outside, with arrington in the nickel on the slot, i say go for it


    gregory & his health fits into this as well....a healthy gregory, and i'd like to see mccourty stay at corner
  6. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    29,360
    Likes Received:
    46
    Ratings:
    +59 / 1 / -0

    I am still in the camp that McCourty is a far better CB than people have given him credit for. I think he does give up one or two big plays a game, BUT is solid for the most part for the rest of the game most weeks.

    I still think this team is best with him at LCB and Dennard at RCB. Unfortunately, with both Chung and Gregory out, the safety position is an even bigger mess than the CB position. Until at least one comes back, he has to stay at safety. But this team is better with him at CB.

    This team made Sanchez look like Aaron Rodgers at times with McCourty at FS with the Jets picking on Dennard, Dowling, and Arrington. The week before , Wilson got big plays on everyone other than McCourty except for one play where McCourty had pretty good coverage, but the ball was just perfect.

    He is easily the best player in the secondary. He should be at the LCB because of that alone.
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2012
  7. aluminum seats

    aluminum seats Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2006
    Messages:
    2,419
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    I'm pretty much an agnostic on this point right now, but I wonder if your point here is true.

    If McCourty is the best player in the secondary--and if that remains true if he plays CB or safety (which I think is an important if, correct? The skill sets at the two positions are different)--then maybe he would be better off at safety.

    Here's why. Thought about this on Sunday. A graphic showed the Steelers' record with Troy Polamalu was 28-9, without him 7-9. I remember the Pats with and without Rodney Harrison was pretty much the same. A dominant safety made a HUGE difference. Really striking.

    Now, I'm not saying that McCourty is/would be a dominant safety like that, I'm just wondering if that kind of huge disaparity is reflected elsewhere, on other teams, at any other position.
  8. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    40,771
    Likes Received:
    58
    Ratings:
    +80 / 3 / -1

    Disable Jersey

    I don't know. I'm worried that McCourty would have a Eugene Wilson sort of career, where injury would dramatically curtail his effectiveness over time.

    On the other hand, Chung has been stinking out the joint and McCourty hasn't been getting it done at CB. I suggested a starting 4 of

    Dowling
    Dennard
    Wilson
    McCourty

    for the Rams game in another thread. I still think that's worth a shot.
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2012
  9. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    29,360
    Likes Received:
    46
    Ratings:
    +59 / 1 / -0


    Both Polumalu and Harrison were rare, elite players. McCourty may be the best player in the secondary, but he is not anywhere near the class those two are.

    Unless the Pats are going up against a team with a really good TE or slot receiver, McCourty's best spot is at LCB assuming the safety position is healthy. Him playing safety on Sunday did nothing to fix the secondary woes. In fact, it made the right side of the field more vunerable and Sanchez doesn't like throwing to his left a lot.
  10. Kenneth Sims

    Kenneth Sims Rookie

    Joined:
    May 6, 2011
    Messages:
    259
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    It makes sense to move McCourty to safety where his speed, toughness and tackling skills could make him an above-average deep safety.

    I'm a devout pessimist when it comes to this team's pass defense. But, I could get a little excited if the Pats made the changes suggested by the author of this article. But, I'd play Tavon Wilson rather than Chung as the "big" safety because I think he's a more versatile player capable of playing better man coverage against both a TE and a slot receiver.

    Then, if they could run some games upfront improving the pass rush, we might actually be on to something. It will not always be pretty and Dowling and Dennard will get more than their fair share of holding penalties at first, but can it be any uglier than what we've seen so far?
  11. Kenneth Sims

    Kenneth Sims Rookie

    Joined:
    May 6, 2011
    Messages:
    259
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    That's entirely possible, but Wilson played in a time when a safety could actually hit a receiver hard and not get flagged for it.
  12. PATSYLICIOUS

    PATSYLICIOUS Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    10,961
    Likes Received:
    5
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    Until we find 2 reliable safeties this may be the way to go. McCourty's been a decent corner and was a stud corner when we had actual safeties. Ideally I'd like to see him as our #1 CB with the safety position solidified but until then put him at safety with Dennard/Dowling at LCB/RCB.
  13. condon84

    condon84 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2008
    Messages:
    4,202
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    I like that starting four, but who would get the slot receiver? If it's Arrington, then it doesn't really matter who the other 4 are on the field in the secondary since he's an automatic first down. I would rather have Dennard play the slot and leave McCourty and Dowling at CBs. Wilson and Gregory can man the back end. The less we see Arrington, the better our defense is going to be.
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2012
  14. Kenneth Sims

    Kenneth Sims Rookie

    Joined:
    May 6, 2011
    Messages:
    259
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Polumalu and Harrison are Hall-of-Famers or should be because if their versatility. Harrison could play in the box on one play and line up against marvin harrison on the next. No one would ever confuse McCourty with either of them. But, if Belichick has determined that he must play more cover one to improve his pass defense, there is no one on the Patriots more capable of being the "one' than McCourty.
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2012
  15. aluminum seats

    aluminum seats Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2006
    Messages:
    2,419
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    Sure, I get that. It's just that the numbers are SO striking--more than most QBs, it just got me thinking if any other guy--a linebacker, a CB, whatever--showed that kind of disparity.
  16. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    40,771
    Likes Received:
    58
    Ratings:
    +80 / 3 / -1

    Disable Jersey

    Arrington does better in the short area type of defending than he does when the field opens up. He's better served as a nickel (dime would be better) back than as a starter.
  17. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    40,771
    Likes Received:
    58
    Ratings:
    +80 / 3 / -1

    Disable Jersey

    I've always looked at Wilson as a guy who got hurt in consecutive Super Bowls and then was gun shy for the rest of his career. I think his issue was more mental than physical, and I think McCourty has a mental issue already. I've rarely seen a player more ready to get beat than McCourty seems to be. I don't know that it would take much to get this kid to check out as a safety.
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2012
  18. Sciz

    Sciz PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    7,095
    Likes Received:
    5
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    I almost wonder if this issue is less about where McCourty plays, and more about the defense that they play because of it. In an ideal world, I'd like to see more cover 1 man coverage, and I'm not completely opposed to Dennard and Dowling being the starting corners, assuming Dowling isn't hurt too badly. They obviously need a little time to adjust to the NFL, but they're two of the most physical CBs to come out of college in the past few years. And if Arrington can't handle the slot, then the Pats could always try Gregory there, as he was mostly a slot corner for SD a few years ago before moving to safety. I know a lot of people are ready to get rid of Chung in favor of Wilson, but being the SS in a cover 1 would mean that Chung wouldn't be in deep coverage, which has been his biggest problem.
  19. Zeus

    Zeus PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2007
    Messages:
    945
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +10 / 0 / -0

    I'd like to see this, but it does underscore just how inexperienced the Patriots are in the defensive backfield.
  20. aluminum seats

    aluminum seats Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2006
    Messages:
    2,419
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    That's why I so bummed out he fumbled the kickoff after bringing one back. On the one after the fumble, he ran it out looking, to me, terrified of fumbling again.
  21. Patjew

    Patjew PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2005
    Messages:
    9,550
    Likes Received:
    14
    Ratings:
    +18 / 0 / -0

    #18 Jersey

    I'm on board with your line of thinking on this.
  22. Patjew

    Patjew PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2005
    Messages:
    9,550
    Likes Received:
    14
    Ratings:
    +18 / 0 / -0

    #18 Jersey

    You should have seen how terrified I looked.
  23. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,448
    Likes Received:
    68
    Ratings:
    +91 / 1 / -2

    #24 Jersey

    [​IMG]
  24. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    29,360
    Likes Received:
    46
    Ratings:
    +59 / 1 / -0

    Personally, I think a better question is would the Pats be better with Arrington on the inactive list?
  25. PATRIOTSFANINPA

    PATRIOTSFANINPA Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    15,718
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    I think McCourty might be used in a position according to who the team is playing,It might change week to week depending on the opposition.
  26. The Boston Patriot

    The Boston Patriot PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2006
    Messages:
    851
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    The defense would be much better if Devin McCourty (and the rest of that pathetic secondary) was selling popcorn in the stands.
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2012
  27. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2005
    Messages:
    12,964
    Likes Received:
    23
    Ratings:
    +31 / 0 / -0

    Devin McCourty Leaning on Patrick Chung, Steve Gregory in Embracing Transition to Safety - New England Patriots - NESN.com


    "I haven't had a lot of snaps at it," McCourty admitted on Wednesday. "So it will still be a learning process."

    Learning a new position can't be easy, especially for a player who has spent the last seven seasons -- including college -- in coverage on the outside. New techniques, new adjustments and new responsibilities can all be severely overwhelming for a young player. But that's where McCourty sought the guidance of some veterans.

    "I lean a lot on our coaches and guys like Steve [Gregory] and Pat [Chung], who weren't able to play last week, but I listen to those guys a lot," McCourty said of transitioning to safety. "And I just try to use my knowledge of the defense to help me out and know different things to do back there."

    The direction from Chung and Gregory obviously helped on Sunday against the Jets as McCourty looked comfortable in the deep spot and the secondary actually seemed to be more secure; at least Bill Belichick thought so.

    "I thought the deep part of the field was more secure than it's been," Belichick said after Sunday's 29-26 win.

    McCourty has found some inherent differences from his normal cornerback role while learning the new position. But nothing he's been unable to adjust to.

    "You just get to see it from a different vantage point, and you get to see the whole field different than playing corner. The biggest thing is you just have to have a different level of responsibility as far as making sure everyone is lined up, making sure everyone is playing the same coverage."​
  28. JPsPats

    JPsPats Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2012
    Messages:
    203
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    gah it would bug me if we moved him to safety permanently. I think devon is a good corner. He gives up some big plays but not nearly at the rate as last year, and i still think he plays solid throughout games for the most part.

    I feel like dev plays it "safe" when he plays safety and gives a lot of cushion.

    Devin is a cb, and i hope he regains his pro bowl status eventually.
  29. goheels22002

    goheels22002 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2009
    Messages:
    3,713
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +9 / 0 / -1

    #50 Jersey

    They are so incredibly young - two rookies, a 2nd year guy who is effectively still a rookie and a third year guy who is just learning how to play safety. It's like having a college secondary on the field. Fortunately, the Rams have a kiddie corps for receivers and young QB.
  30. Cassanova792

    Cassanova792 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2007
    Messages:
    170
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Yet Sam Bradford is still going to light up our secondary.:(

Share This Page