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Worst starting CBs in Belichick era?

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  1. Wendel

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    2000: Ty Law / Otis Smith
    2001: Ty Law / Otis Smith
    2002: Ty Law / Otis Smith
    2003: Ty Law / Tyrone Poole
    2004: Ty Law / Asante Samuel
    2005: Asante Samuel / Chad Scott
    2006: Asante Samuel / Ellis Hobbs
    2007: Asante Samuel / Ellis Hobbs
    2008: Ellis Hobbs / Terrence Wheatley

    Hmmm.
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    Maybe you should state your point instead of implying it.
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    I was asking for the board's opinion.
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    How are we suppossed to judge Hobbs and Wheatley at this point in the season?
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    Predict.

    All I know is that this is the first time in the BB era we don't have a Pro-Bowl league top 5 #1 corner.
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    predict?

    this seems like an appropriate thread to ask this question...


    is this the best front seven of BB's era?

    (predict btw...)
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    Exactly!.....
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    I really hope there's another signing coming up.
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    We do. His name is Hobbs.

    Besides, the worst we ever started was Earthwind Moreland, and Randall gay. Thank god it wasnt for a whole season.:rolleyes:
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    Ellis Hobbs is a potential top 5 in the league Pro-Bowl corner back?
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    I doubt there will be another signing.

    What about Dom Caper's influence?

    What about the pass rush up front?
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    How do you give a thread negative stars?
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    Nor did we entering the 2005 season. At that point in time Asante had started nine games over two years and had a career total of 3 interceptions; he didn't make the Pro Bowl till 2007 and was not considered a top ten, much less top five corner at that point of his career. In fact, you could say the same thing entering the 2006 season also, as Samuels finished 2005 with three interceptions.
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    Like you said, POTENTIAL. Let's see at the end of the season if i'm right. I could also be wrong. I think that might have happened once before:D
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    no its not. Samuel was not a Pro Bowl CB in 2005. He developed into one by the time he left. Deltha O'Neal is a two time pro bowler which is one more than the one PB season that Samuel has.

    And unless you can tell me that Asante showed more in his first preseason than Wheatley has in his, then you are wrong on two counts. We went to the super bowl in 2004 with Asante, Randall Gay and Troy Brown at corner. I like who we have now by comparison.

    Great sig, by the way :)
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    Weak post. But I'll play. The answer is Ty Law and Otis Smith 2000. I take it you didn't watch the likes of Elvis Grbac and Shane Matthews shred that secondary back then? No way Hobbs and Wheatley can be worse than that.
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    I fixed your list a little and it may change some votes.

    I think looking at the 05 now that it should show were we are. That year Law was gone and it looked to be in shambles but they got it right toward the end of the season. I don't think it will be that bad early and If it is the worst of the BB era it wont be by much basically by default because having law and Asante on those lists skews it a little.
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    We didn't in 2005 or 2006, either. And in 2004 we only had one for 4 games. After that it was a cast of no names. Won it all that season, too, Go figure. And if O'Neal starts we'll have a pro bowler starting...
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    yeah i'd say 2004 is actually the worst year for starting CBs

    Ty law only played a couple weeks,

    and nobody remembers this, but up until 2006 people tended to absolutely hate on Asante - he's a great corner now, but it's not like he was a pro bowler coming right out of the gate. - Remember when we had Earthwind Moreland starting?

    Hobbs has at least proven that he can be an NFL starter, although maybe not a pro bowler, and the only person who's totally owned Wheatley so far this preseason has been Randy Moss, and quite frankly that isn't the Rookie's fault.

    also, Deltha O'Neal is signed, so there's your pro bowl corner if you're really looking for one.
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    Spot on response, be carefulthough, Hobbs haters do not like to deal with fact.

    The success of the '08 secondary is 100% tied to the success of the seven guys playing in front of them. If they can bring the kind of pressure expected, we are going to look very, very good.
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    Yes, watching Duane Starks would have been funny -- if he wasn't playing for the Patriots. :eek:
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    You think that Samuel and Scott were pro-bowl quality starters in 2005? Starks started. Was he your pro-bowler?

    The answer is "No". I don't think Hobbs and O'Neal are the worst starters at CB under Belichick. And if Wheatley beats out O'neal for the start, then the starting three are certainly better than 2005 (and 2004 and 2006 for that matter).

    Samuel was top 5 for one year, his contract year.

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    Still would give a third rounder for Lito Sheppard in a minute. He has the ability for a pro bowl or two with us. I see an upgrade over Hobbs or start opposite Ellis.
    DW Toys
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    I'd try and offer a fourth rounder first, but a 3rd round pick is probably a fair trade for Sheppard - I also wouldn't be against this, especially seeing how we'll have two 2nd rounders next year.

    However, I do think that our secondary can be serviceable as is, although maybe not outstanding in its own right.

    As others have said, as the defensive pressure goes, so goes our secondary this season.
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    What's the deal with O'Neal anyway ? It seems like he's really good but flames out - he was good for Denver then Shanahan got rid of him. Same with Cincy. Seems like there's a reasonable chance he could be really good here under this one year contract especially with him and Harrison seeming to really like each other.
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    And you know that Belichick didn't try to get Shepherd for a 3rd?

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    As far as I know the word on the street about about O'Neil is he's very athletic, and he tends to gamble for picks and as a result gets beaten at times.

    I really think the bengals got rid of him not because he's done, but more that they really didn't need him any more and he probably took up a lot of cap space.

    They have two potentially great young corners in Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall
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    Oh I have no idea

    I'm not criticizing the front office's moves this off-season at all

    if BB is content with the secondary, then that is plenty for me.

    All I meant by my above comments are that I would not be pissed/see it as a waste of a third rounder if he WERE to offer that for Sheppard. I don't know if I'd be as happy if he offered a second rounder - I'm not sure he's worth that much.
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    Without a doubt.........Hobbs & Lito with the young kids and Deltha would be solid baby.
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    don't forget, we would still need to pay Lito, and he aint cheap:D
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