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    The world's most high-profile climate change sceptic is to declare that global warming is "undoubtedly one of the chief concerns facing the world today" and "a challenge humanity must confront", in an apparent U-turn that will give a huge boost to the embattled environmental lobby.

    Bjørn Lomborg: $100bn a year needed to fight climate change | Environment | The Guardian

    "Investing $100bn annually would mean that we could essentially resolve the climate change problem by the end of this century," the book concludes.

    Examining eight methods to reduce or stop global warming, Lomborg and his fellow economists recommend pouring money into researching and developing clean energy sources such as wind, wave, solar and nuclear power, and more work on climate engineering ideas such as "cloud whitening" to reflect the sun's heat back into the outer atmosphere.
     
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    If I'm reading the article correctly, the guy really isn't a skeptic. He's just isn't a doomsdayer. It's kind of hard to call someone the "world's most high profile climate change skeptic" when he isn't a skeptic to begin with.

     
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    Lomborg is a pretty honest guy, he is an economist not a scientist, he has never said that the human role in climate can be pretty much ignored. His issue has been that there were far more pressing areas to adrrss enviromentally than climate change. His was a most bang for the buck argument.
     
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    In all of the (in my opinion) dumb debate over global warming, the logicla conclusion of if its happening, or not happening and if we should do something about it or not:

    If you step back and look at the 4 possible outcomes of action or inaction, the only logical response to thsi is to do something about it, and try to find alt sources. The only downside is that we'd lose $$. The reward is greater than the consequence of doing nothing if global warming is real (which I believe it is).

    I've posted this in the past for those who haven't seen it: YouTube - The Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See

    This dude pretty much lays out the future of action and inaction.
     
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    Problem is the greenies will protest any development of ANY energy. See the delays for the wind project off Nantucket, the delay by the Sierra club of the Solar energy farm in the desert in CA, the ongoing protest voer any nuclear plants.


    BTW you shrug off the cost if the warmist are wrong in their unproven assumptions. THe real downside in a large increase in poverty globally. Much of our economic prosperity over the last 150 years has been a result of cheap energy. The warmist are looking to double our energy costs not a trivial matter.
     
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    WTF are you talking about? WHERE do you get your information? Its seems to be ALWAYS WRONG!

    PF13: "we don't get French Benefits?"

    the only people protesting solar panels in the desert were the Bush administration....

    In a parting shot at the competition for its fossil fuels supporters, the Bush administration “has placed a moratorium on new solar projects on public land until it studies their environmental impact, which is expected to take about two years.”

    The New York Times > Log In

    The sirra club is fighting against another environmental group about the solar farming in the Mojave...are you FOR preservation of the desert? Are you alsio FOR th epreservation of ANWAR?

    It?s Green Against Green In Mojave Desert Solar Battle by Todd Woody: Yale Environment 360

    PF,

    you are totally being lied to about MOST things it seems. You are being lied to by your circles.....its strange, man.
     
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    So enviroemntal groups are fighting about whether it is OK to build a solar energy project in the desert. If not the desert WHERE would you go for a solar energy site to produce an appreciable amount of energy.

    See HD EVERYWHERE is a sensitive site to somebody.

    Thanks for confirming what I claimed.
     
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    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........

    Save the Children! :eek:

    The planet has warmed and cooled prior to modern civilizations existance, and will continue to do so, long after we're all gone. Believing that "global warming" (i.e. the planet warming) is happening, is far different than believing it's happening because of man. If it is happening because of the planets natural cycle, then who cares. Nothing you do will change that. If it's happening directly because of man, then taking measures may be worthwhile. Unfortunately for the UN, and it's ponzi scheme, most people realize that it's got more to do with natural cycles, than it does the latter.

    Now, if this were about protecting the actual environment, I'd be all ears.
     
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    you didnt watch the video...did you?
     
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    You mean the one with the white board, and the smiley faces? :bricks:
     
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    yeah...at no point does the logic deal with weather its man made or not. It doesnt matter if its man made or not. Its a distraction from the debate on what we should do about it. I(ts all about the possible outcomes.

    The cost to do nothing if infact the science that has been proving that the planet is warming is real, is YOUR LIFE, your family's LIFE, and the future of teh planet to sustain LIFE.

    Any person who is claims that the planet is warming, and we should do nothing about it is gambling with life itself.



    keep talking about smily faces...all the oil people think you are 'wicked cool', bro.....
     
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    If people aren't driving the climate with their activities there is NOTHING we can do about it. That is the point RW is making.


    BTW 600 years ago it was much warmer than what we currently observe, it was warmer than that 800k years ago. Nothing bad happened indeeed hamans flourished during these warmer periods. During the last little ice age we saw starvation and the plague, cold weather isn't friendly to homosapiens.
     
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    I love how you believe cherry picked scientists in certain areas that back your skewed opinion...but not 98% of the scientific community...

    its wonderful....

    Plagues and natural disasters happen...right...according to YOU we should never develop anti-viruses, or build flood protection. KNock down all those walls at the beach to prevent waves from crashing beachfront properties, huh? after all....the dinosaurs went extinct during the last ice age...maybe its just natural that we should too?

    what this guy is talking about is using our science to reverse or prevent the planet from warming further. The science and knowledge of the human mind can allow us to prevent an ice age. we are a pretty smart species.

    I'm gunna put my faith in the scientists who are trying to do something about it, and not some mod who seems to hear and read what he wants to, using a selective bliss of ignorance.
     
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    I don't 'believe' anything. I look at data. The warmist 'believe' in computer models. If you are familiar with computer models you realize that with the complex nature of the system and the number ofdegrees of freedom the models are pretty much useless.


    Especially since the atmosphere isn't behaving the way the modelers predicted over the past 20 years.
     
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    I think you are one of the last dozen or so people who believe what you are writing.

    BTW: nice data to back up your speculative jargon...


    Global warming controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The finding that the climate has warmed in recent decades and that human activities are already contributing adversely to global climate change has been endorsed by every national science academy that has issued a statement on climate change, including the science academies of all of the major industrialized countries.

    A 2010 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences analysed 1,372 climate researchers and their publication and citation data to show that (i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers
     
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    Everyone says the USA doesn't make anything anymore, they're wrong. We make an enormous amount of food and food production depends on the environment. I have trouble believing MMGCC will mean wolves running amuck in New York city(even though that would be kinda cool, especially near Yankee stadium:D) what I can see climate change doing is destroying the California wine industry, or Florida oranges or corn in Nebraska or an endless amount of other crops that pay an awful lot of bills.

    When clothing manufacturing no longer worked in New England cities like Lowell and Laurence and Brockton when into the dumper. Its been many, many decades now and they still aren't close to what they used to be economically. Detroit wasn't always so terrible, back when almost all of us drove American cars made right there that city was full of rich people. Do we really want to put that sort of gigantic disruption on every single place in the USA that counts on food production to keep people employed? Fighting climate change isn't gonna hurt the economy. It may very well save us from a depression the likes of which we've never, ever experienced.
     
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    This is the biggest ponzi scheme ever attempted on mankind.
     
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    Wikipedia is not an unbiased source the editor is a warmist and 'true believer'. They will reject articles disputing the notion of MMGW.

    As I have said many times during the current interglacial period there have been a number of periods up to 3C warmer than what we see now.


    BTW the finding and methods of the IPCC have been excoriated by an independent study that has been released.

    The models predicted heating in certain parts of the atmosphere, the facr warming has not occurred where the models predict tells us the models are wrong.


    The polling reflects the people polled not the scientific community at large. Pelke, Watts, McKittrick, Lidzen, Ball, Spenser and many others were not polled by this group.


    BTW in the period before Galileo 98% of scientist thought the Earth was the center of the universe.
     
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    Before Gallileo...there were NO scientists...the church pretty much ruled all scientific thought. check his controversy over heliocentrism to see what this dude had to deal with.


    "Galileo, perhaps more than any other single person, was responsible for the birth of modern science."

    -Stephen Hawking

    what is your reality?
     
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    And we have inquisitions and heretics even today.....;), only now they are called skeptics and deniers.
     

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