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  1. Harry Boy

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    The Pelosi/Murtha/Reid gang don't like news like this and they never ever mention "Chemical Ali"
    (they like the dog leash lady story better).

    This Chemical Ali guy, he had WMD's, what did he do with them, where are they :confused:

    News Today:
    BAGHDAD - Two decades after Iraq's military laid waste to Kurdish villages, the Iraqi High Tribunal on Sunday sentenced Ali Hassan al-Majid, known as "Chemical Ali," and two others to death for their roles in the bloody campaign against the restive ethnic minority.


    Al-Majid, a cousin of executed former president Saddam Hussein, was convicted of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes for ordering army and security services to use chemical weapons in an offensive said to have killed some 180,000 people during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070624/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
     
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    I know, but nobody believed it, not even Uncle Teddy.
     
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    I know it's tough on you to accept the fact that that was no WMD at the time of America's unprovoked attack on Iraq.

    Over 3,600 American boys and hundred of thousand of Iraq children and civilians have died because of this LIE.

    How do you tell the parents of these dead Americans boys that their chidren died for nothing??

    Even today, hundreds of Americans are still dying in Iraq just to just save George Bush's legacy.

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    What is so AMAZING to me is that the US government could not find EVEN ONE LOUSY WMD.

    Saddam was suppossed to have MILLIONS of WMDs, stockpiles of chemicals, bombs, gas, trucks, labs, etc .....

    But guess what??

    George Bush could NOT even find ONE WMD.

    Not even ONE lousy WMD.

    That is just ASTOUNDING to me.

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    Not true we found 500 artillery shells with Mustard gas, and a few hundred tons of yellowcake uranium.
     
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    A few hundred tons of yellowcake, huh? That's interesting. Do you have a link to a real news source subtantiating that?

    I'd also love to see the details on the 500 artillery shells "with Mustard gas."

    You know how the horrible media just glosses over these things -- I've totally missed the few hundred tons of yellowcake.

    PFnV
     
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    The hell with that gassing sh!t, we have to stop these American Bastards from putting underwear on muslim heads.
    :bricks:
     
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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html






    http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/04/the_yellowcake_connection.html

     
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    Send an e-mail to the offices of Kennedy/Clinton/Kerry/Gore they all claimed Saddam had the weapons and that Saddam "HAD TO GO".
     
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    Gotcha. So as far as the yellowcake goes, it was not under the aegis of inspectors; that is, not a flouting of any convention. Since, on looking at the IAEA page, I notice a transfer of several times that amount in the 70s from Brazil, I take it we have/had as much right or reason to invade Brazil, on the pretext of "possession of yellowcake."

    According to your own link, this particular "find" was not something anybody looked for in the first place, and does not consitute a WMD. It is notable that Iraq was at one point able to enrich some uranium to 7.2%; but that that uranium was, in fact, accounted for to the satisfaction of the UN.

    So, good "gotcha" on that one. I was not aware that there were in fact tons of uranium Iraq was not "forbidden" from having in the first place. The "simple matter of enriching" the uranium is, in fact, a holy grail for dozens of nations who, like Iraq, have failed at the task. (These do not include our buddies in N.Korea who, despite actually either having the bomb or being very close, are instead being paid in fuel oil rather than invaded, as a means of curtailing development.)

    I'll look at the artillery shells as well. As to the claim that Saddam "destroyed all his weapons in 1991," since the UN was overseeing destruction of Saddam's stockpiles well into the 90s, the claim - had it ever been made - certainly was never taken seriously, by UN sources or elsewhere. In other words, it is old news that international monitors had to oversee the matter, and did so into the 1990s, with varying degrees of cooperation or lack thereof. Another round had begun prior to US invasion in 2003, with international monitors expressing that progress was satisfactory.

    Interesting stuff, of course. Hardly a "smoking gun", "slam dunk", WMD case. We'll have a look at the degraded mustard and/or sarin shells next.

    PFnV
     
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    Who ever said yellow cake is/was a WMD, it IS a material that is essential in making weapons grade uranium however. Also recall that UN inspectors has been out of the country since 1998, in the absence of oversight Saddam could have done anything with it. The fact that there was too much to move doesn't mean the IAEA was happy it was there. Indeed If you think back you will recall that prior to 9-11 there were calls for the sanctions against Iraq to be lifted. BTW the IAEA claimed that yellowcake seized in the Netherlands originated in Iraq and Saddam was getting it out of the country. The IAEA was not aware of this material.




    The matter of not having enriched the yellowcake was not for lack of trying of course.


    Of course we know definitly that Saddam did not destroyed his chem weapons well into the 90's since he did in fact use them to murder thousands of kurdish civilians.

    If you are interested in what (very) possibly happened to the bulk of his materials you might want to check out this series of articles. I'll link to the latest installment. Links to the previous installments are at the bottom of the page.

    http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/06/22/did-saddams-wmd-go-to-syria-pa-4/
     
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    what a joke... and now we see what people like PF13 cling to in their never-ending denial that there were NO stockpiles of usable WMDs in Iraq before our invasion... nevermind the hundreds of stories and reports claiming otherwise, certain people are going to run with their Fox News story 3 years later... classic...

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-05/18/content_331563.htm
    David Kay, who last year led the post-invasion hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq before stepping down, said the sarin was probably left over from the 1980s, produced either during the Iraq-Iran war or before the 1991 Gulf War.

    "It was probably just scavenged from one of the 125-plus ammunition storage points that still remain," Kay said. More forensic testing should determine with some confidence when it was produced, he said.​

    and from the very Fox report itself:

    Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

    'This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991,' the official said, adding the munitions 'are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war.'​
     
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    Saddam said he got rid of the stuff, he lied. You also neglect to address the facts presented about the movement of WMD out of Iraq before the invasion, nor the comments of the democrats.
     

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