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  1. carolinatony

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    Unless we work a trade for Cassel can the front office make any moves?
    Will their be $$$ for FA signings,maybe resigning Wilfork,ect. If we did keep both where does that leave us.
    I'll admit I know nothing about the salary cap.
    thanks
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    I don't think there will be any major re-signings like Wilfork.

    The Patriots could re-sign some lesser players like Evans,

    Paxton, and Gaffney by tweaking a few contracts.
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    "I don't think there will be any major re-signings like Wilfork."


    This should be the next thing on the list after the Cassel situation we do imo. We need to keep him.
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    Wilfork has a year left and can be Franchised for another year unless the CBA rules change. I'd like to re-sign him too but this isn't the time to panic. We could even Franchise him a second time if necessary.
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    If Miguel's number's are even close to being right, he has the Pat's at $3.9M under the cap after franchising Cassell.
    They wouldn't even have enough to sign the rookies this year. I believe last year's rookie pool was $4.3M.

    So the short answer is, NO.
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    "On-hold"? No.

    The front office is still planning and preparing like the normally would.

    Would getting Cassel off the books be something they are interested in? I'd assume so, considering it's probably hard to move players around with 14m less salary cap space.
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    I am sure the FO is working on deals that we wouldn't have a clue on.....You really think no teams are going to bite on Matty boy....Why would BB put the tag on the 1st day....In the past they waited to the last days....
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    Correct. In my opinion, nothing speaks more loudly about their intention to trade Cassel than the fact that it was done on day 1, as opposed to their history of waiting until the end of the tagging period.
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    Agreed...actual contract signing may be "on hold," but assuming they're planning to trade Cassel they can lay all the groundwork for re-signings, etc. to finalize as soon as the cap space is cleared.
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    "If Miguel's number's are even close to being right, he has the Pat's at $3.9M under the cap after franchising Cassell.
    They wouldn't even have enough to sign the rookies this year. I believe last year's rookie pool was $4.3M.

    So the short answer is, NO."



    I wish we knew more about the Brady/Cassel situation and hope Brady is back 100% and we can trade Casse for some picks.
    We need to get back to the SB again. If I am greedy so be it but I want another SB win for us !! This window is still open for this team.
    Go Pats
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    Yup... I agree. So early in the game. Got to mean that they want thins thing done in time to make other moves (re-signings & low-level free agents) before the draft.
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    Cassel will, IMO, be traded shortly after the trade window opens (end of February???)

    This will be the NE's "Herschel Walker" deal. They will get back a 1, 2, 4 and a player...likely a CB, LB or a young OL.



    *It will be funny to hear the Curran's and the Borges' say that the Pats did not get enough in a deal for Cassel.
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    Why would they want to do so? They have 5 picks in the first three rounds and probably 11 overall, even without a Cassel trade. .
    Where are you going to put the inexpensive rookies? Try cutting eleven players from the Pats roster. Its pretty tough.:)
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    You beat me to it, that sums up what I was thinking.
    The FO can work out agreements now, then announce and sign the new contracts as soon as Cassel is traded.
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    I can see the Pats trading away one or two of those picks for better picks next year - for example, trade away one of this year's thirds to somebody for next year's second.
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    If the owners and players agree upon a new CBA before the

    start of the 2010 season, the Patriots face the loss of an unusually

    large amount of players after 2009. Included among them are Mankins,

    Kaczur, Neal, Wilfork, Seymour, Green, Hobbs, Gostowski, and Vrabel.

    Rather than trade a lot of 2009 picks for 2010 choices, the Patriots

    might keep most of their 2009 picks to develop for the 2010

    season.
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    Meanwhilethe cheapest re-signing for the most important player on Derfesnecan can proceed. Richard Seymour can be re-signed with little CAP impact and probably even a minor savings. He is already on the books for $10,000,000 per year. Merely extending the length o fhis contract and giving him a signing bonus, cash now, and perhaps smaller salary will cut his CAP for 2009, but keepthe amount paid to him over his longer contract about the same as now.

    People without a clue speak of letting Seymour go, but BB is not that stupid. Seymour comman+ds double teaming, nakes Wilfork and Warren more effective, and provides the pass rush from the defensive line position.

    You don' let an under thirty year old future HOF player leave when there is absolutely no reason to do so.
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    Wrongo.

    If you were the Cards or Jest with only 35 or 39 players signed then you don't have CAP room. If you are the Pats with 50 players signed, that rookie pool merely offsets the current CAP figures. Under CAP accounting until the final cut the CAP does not consist of 80 players salaries, but only the top 51. Every rookie that you keep is a veterans salary that you have already, and cut and remove.

    The CAP presumeably declines, as the rookie is mostly cheaper than the vet. So in this case, the rookie pool is not in ADDITION to the present CAP; it is INSTEAD of the current players salaries in the CAP. Only if the rookies CAP hit is bigger than the vet, does the cap room get consumed. But only by the difference in salaries. For example, the vet makes $1,000,000 per year and the rookie signs for $1,010,000 per year, the Cap room declines by the difference, or $10,000.

    In short, no Problemo...
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    Re-signing Seymour will be no easy task. I think he will demand

    to be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. I wouldn't be

    surprised to see him stay away from traning camp this year until

    enough money is added to his 2009 contract to bring him in line

    with Dwight Freeney.
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    On hold? No.

    Next up:
    -- RFA/ERFA tender announcements.
    -- Release announcments.
    -- Extension announcements.
    -- Trade announcements.

    Free Agency signings will come in their own good time.
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    This is why I hope Cassel is traded as soon as February 27th. Heck, I'd love it if some desperate team somehow forked over 2 firsts for him and got him outright but guess I don't see that happening.
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    The current salary cap situation might mean that we give

    Woods a second round tender and pass on Alexander and Britt

    for the time being. We could re-sign a low level player by

    tweaking a contract.
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    Why??? So you can play jr. GM? And trade for an over-the-hill TE, without any spare footballs to catch; or a headcase RB; or a $10,000,000 guy to see if he can play in the 3-4, when he has never done so, before? Who doesn't have a clear position to play?

    No Thank You.

    My prediction? The Pats can afford to keep the best #2 QB, in the league in Cassel, for their 2009 Super Bowl run. BB being burned once in 2008, won't do it again. With the uncertainty about Brady, they can afford the "Insurance" for 2009.

    If you view it in that light, then it all falls into place. BB has moved methodically, and as soon as possible, to do so.
    They have found a guy who can play; and is willing to sign, and just did. A guy who is competitive enough, to think he can win a few Super Bowls, even if the alternative is to ride the pine for 2009. :):):)
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    So What? They don't need more than three anyway, LB, DB, OL.
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    THE ANSWER IS NO!

    1) We need to see the final 2009 cap numbers, after adjustments.

    2) Sign to no-brainer re-signs: Evans, Paxton, Lew Sanders.

    3) The first decision will be regard which of three RFA's to tender and at what level (Woods, Alexander, Britt). It presumed that we will tender our only ERFA Ventrone.

    4) I expect that we are discussing extensions with Green and Vrabel (and maybe Light). All three would free up cap monies. These monies are essential to fill holes and re-sign more of our free agents.

    5) I would expect the patriots to secure a veteran QB, while pursuing trades for Cassel. Even if the veteran QB contract was $4.6M for one year (I prefer a 3-year deal), this would free up $10M, enough to sign the rooks, Player 52, Player 53, the IR, the Practice quad, and have a reserve fund to replace players during the year. There should be enough left for a late signing, trade or extension.
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    Prepare to be under whelmed... it is likely Cassel won't get traded until right before the draft. Not a lot of money left for anything except for a few veteran minimums. They better nail the draft.
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    So, which is better for the patriots
    1) ALTERNATIVE ONE
    Pick up the very best free agent out there for under $5M for 2009.
    Have $10M of cap money available.
    2) ALTERNATVE TWO
    Tie $29M in the QB position, paying the backup more than the starter.
    Struggle to sign even veteran free agents and rookies.

    You are out of touch with reality. We cannot have Cassel on the 2009 roster without losing players and having a worse team than last year.

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    Dream on! What worse Team? Who do we lose? I would say it is you that has no touch with Reality. I have patiently outlined how they sign everyone they need to sign, even Seymour, draft a bundle of defensive picks to add to the awesome 2008 rebuilt Defense, (9 NFL players!) and have plenty of insured Quaterbacking for their 2009 Super Bowl run.

    You on the other hand worry about useless veteran FAs, and post 2009 needed signings. 2010 will take care of itself. The Pats would like to re-sign Woods, Wright and Green, and they can, and probably Seymour too. Alexander and Britt will be lucky if they get offers at all, and not paycuts or walking papers.

    Just what $5 million dollar FA will help them?? Double that number for Suggs, Dansby or Peppers, or any body of that level. So Pray tell... Who? OTOH, It is not hard to sign the rookies.

    Unless you didn't notice 50 players (including Cassel) are now under contract. The CAP is met, with $4 million to spare, for Woods, Wright and Jarvis, and their added moneys, on top of what they earn now, say another $1 million or so. The rookies will actually save against the CAP, and ADD cap room. Leaving more than sufficient money for the season, injuries, PS, etc.

    I don't understand why you think having an inadequate backup QB is either reality, or to be prefered. JP Loserman? Please! Wrecks Grossman? Double Please. Kevin O'Connel?? maybe in 2010 or 2011. ;);):)
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    "Dream on! What worse Team? Who do we lose? I would say it is you that has no touch with Reality. I have patiently outlined how they sign everyone they need to sign, even Seymour, draft a bundle of defensive picks to add to the awesome 2008 rebuilt Defense, (9 NFL players!) and have plenty of insured Quaterbacking for their 2009 Super Bowl run.

    You on the other hand worry about useless veteran FAs, and post 2009 needed signings. 2010 will take care of itself. The Pats would like to re-sign Woods, Wright and Green, and they can, and probably Seymour too. Alexander and Britt will be lucky if they get offers at all, and not paycuts or walking papers.

    Just what $5 million dollar FA will help them?? Double that number for Suggs, Dansby or Peppers, or any body of that level. So Pray tell... Who? OTOH, It is not hard to sign the rookies.

    Unless you didn't notice 50 players (including Cassel) are now under contract. The CAP is met, with $4 million to spare, for Woods, Wright and Jarvis, and their added moneys, on top of what they earn now, say another $1 million or so. The rookies will actually save against the CAP, and ADD cap room. Leaving more than sufficient money for the season, injuries, PS, etc.
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    I didn't know we had 50 players under contract. This is GREAT news.

    What I don't understand is SOMEONE KNOWS how Brady is and if he will be ready for opening day. This is the biggest secret in Football in years.
    I am AMAZED how well the Pats keep a secret! They keep it more quite then the Pentagon.
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