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Wiretapping: So much for the "if you've done nothing wrong" Con man talking point

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    yet another tired, baseless "nothing to see here" claim by the 28 percenters can effectively be put to bed regarding Boy King's little "war"... I'd be tired of proving Shrub loyalists wrong if it weren't so utterly satisfying each time....

    Former NSA Analyst: NSA ‚ÄėMonitored All Communications‚Äô Of Americans

    also targeted Journalists¬Ľ

    Last night on MSNBC‚Äôs ‚ÄúCountdown with Keith Olbermann,‚ÄĚ former analyst for the National Security Agency Russell Tice revealed that the NSA had ‚Äúmonitored all communications‚ÄĚ of Americans and specifically targeted journalists:

    TICE: The National Security Agency had access to all Americans‚Äô communications ‚ÄĒ faxes, phone calls, and their computer communications. And it didn‚Äôt matter whether you were in Kansas, in the middle of the country, and you never made any foreign communications at all. They monitored all communications. [‚Ķ] But an organization that was collected on were U.S. news organizations and reporters and journalists.

    OLBERMANN: To what purpose? I mean, is there a file somewhere full of every e-mail sent by all the reporters at the ‚ÄúNew York Times?‚ÄĚ Is there a recording somewhere of every conversation I had with my little nephew in upstate New York? Is it like that?

    TICE: If it was involved in this specific avenue of collection, it would be everything. Yes. It would be everything.​

    Tice, a major whistleblower who helped reveal President Bush‚Äôs warrantless wiretapping program to the New York Times in 2005, also told Olbermann that the agency sought specifically ‚Äúto be deceptive‚ÄĚ to prevent congressional committees from learning more about the program, calling it ‚Äúa shell game‚ÄĚ:

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    In October, two other whistleblowers told ABC News that the NSA ‚Äúroutinely‚ÄĚ listened in on Americans‚Äô phone calls and agents would often share ‚Äúsalacious or tantalizing‚ÄĚ intercepted calls with each other. All this despite Bush‚Äôs frequent protestations that his illegal wiretaping program was ‚Äúlimited,‚ÄĚ that it targeted only ‚Äúa phone call of an al Qaeda, known al Qaeda suspect,‚ÄĚ and that he ensured ‚Äúthat our civil liberties of our citizens are treated with respect.‚ÄĚ
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    Good post PC ... but does this mean they monitored JetsInsider also? :confused2:

    Kind of scary ... Big Brother had arrived for sure.
    How about all those webcam people? They got their conversations and their pictures. I heard everyones license picture is shared by more than just Uncle Sam. I heard advertisers pay off NSA people to gain info also ... lots of dirty crap going on as the marriage of government, businesses and thugs all merge.
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    So long as the information is not used in the prosecution of an individual I have no problems with it. Fact is there has not been a single terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11. Someone was doing something right for a change.
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    "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. "
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    The steps Bush took secured us since 9/11 till the end of his Presidency. Not many Americans beleived at the time that we would be successful in preventing another terrosist attack. Hail to the Chief, for he kept us safe.
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    I listened to him last night. The average "terrorist "phone call last apprx. 2 min. so doesn't the average take out order for pizza. They got me for sure.
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    HMM there wasn't a terrorist attack from 2/93 till 9/11/01 eight years or so,and we didn't have these kind of measures around. Explain that.
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    I switched to Morse code ... they forgot how to use it. ;)
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    That argument doesn't really hold water. The growth of terrorists and hard core Muslims pimping Islam for the disenfranchised was synonymous with the growth of the internet. I said this 6 years ago after we were attacked and I say it today. The information age allowed terrorists to expand their base around the globe. It was so much easier for them to seek and find those who had little to live for and decided to devote their lives to a cause // or rather a god that was supposedly sympathetic to the ppor and destitute.

    A peace loving religion was changed for a political cause ... much of it funded by the very oil we are addicted to. Much of this movement was funded straight out of Saudi Arabia ... our supposed allies. America can easily see how un-orthodox or un-strict for lack of a better term Islam is in Saudi Arabia compared to say Iran. Saudi Arabia used the differences ... (very slight) between the Sunni and the Shia to hold their very ally America in check in the Middle East. Recently ... experts have discovered there are many hidden ties between the Sunni and the Shia in the elite power circles. many ties between Saudi Arabia and Iran (Sunni & Shia) that were covered up by the Bush administration ... many ... many ... many.

    A lot of Sunni and Shia killing each other ... brother Muslims for the sake of a ahate that does not exist at the upper levels of power. Anyways ... I'm getting off target ... these people knew they could use the internet and the killing and hate even in a religion and towards America to use the poor and devout Muslims who needed money to build their terroist networks.
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    You forget the first WTC attack I take it. Thanks for playing. BTW the clusterf**k in Mogadishu, the lack response to Khobar Towers the Cole bombing and so on convinced OBL that WTC 2 was possible without severe consequences for Al Queda.
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    I don't buy that theory, it made it a little easier for them Maybe. I think it was the fact that we never left Saudi Arabia after the first Gulf War. Thats was pissed OBL off,thats what got him more followers, that was his motivation for the attacks on 9/11. When you think about it most of the hijakers on that day were from Saudi Arabia. Something like 19 out of 20.
    I still think were easy pray. An attack threw a sea port like L.A, N.Y.,Boston, N.O. would still be pretty easy to do with so many cargo ahips with cargo containers passing through.
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    I was adding to my post ... recently much info has been gained about the Sunni and Shia elite ... they are connected and the internet and $$$ became a marriage too good to be true for them. Yes ... Saudi Arabia wanted us away while we bought their oil and supplied them with weapons. Secret pacts between tribesmen, families were born. Now it seems so clear ... how come we never read of Saudi Arabia vs Iran hate. The Sunni of Saudi Arabia elite vs the Shia of Iran elite. They let their own blood slay each other as they waged a secret war upon us ... Bush and his secret circle knew and he/they pimped it also. They are now finding there were connections between OBL and Iran ... but perhaps they knew and they are just now leaking that there were connections. How could OBL be connected to Iran if the Sunni and Shia so hated each other?
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    Soory to PC for getting off track ... but I thought it was connected as
    they used all that conflict and the growth of terrorism to wiretap us.
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    This is such a crock of sh*t. For two precise reasons:

    - Why would they NEED to spend exponentially more and attack us here when our arrogant leadership provided a nice canvas for them right on the streets of Baghdad and Kabul? Not only are unwitting U.S. soldiers more symbolic to their cause, but their entire goal in the first place.

    - the one attack they did successfully execute was no surprise -- Dick Cheney knew it was coming.... knew it was coming, to the point of moving the vast majority of NORAD fighter cover out of the region entirely for multiple, convenient "war game exercises" ...

    So amusing watching Con men resting on one tired, vague premise after another in order to explain away (or justify) yet another fraudulent talking point... (the one that goes: "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about with wiretapping")
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    So wait is phone sex a threat to America or not?
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    On American soil.... an attack on.....American soil. Does everything have to be spelled out for you agent 13? And to think i kind of missed you. :confused:
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    And you forgot the cut-and-run move Reagan pulled in Beruit after the Marines were blown up.
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    Mmmmm....did someone say pizza?
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    First WTC bombing was on American soil and it was during the 90's are you really this dense?
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    The psoter was talking about the period from 93-2001 IIRC Beruit was dueing the 80's. Bad job by Reagan on that on BTW.
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    Yeah, and there hadn't been one in the 5 years before 9/11. I don't see your point.


    Trying to prove causation on something with a sample of once every 10 years or so is ridiculous. Theres just as much evidence that Bush caused 9/11 as there is that he prevented any more attacks.
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    The last administration looked at journalists as PR. And if a journalist wasn't toeing the administration's PR line then 1) they were a threat and 2) monitoring them is a huge tactical lever. As if embedded reporters (telling the story of the war from only 1 side) wasn't bad enough.
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    Oh, my bad.....
    I forgot this was a cherry-picking, "our guy's not as much to blame as your guy" type thread. Silly me...I thought we were talking about combatting terrorism. Good job by Reagan, BTW (IMO).
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    NO SH!T Agent 13.

    If you read my post i did mention 2/6/93 also known as the day the WTC was first attacked.
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