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Willl Scott Brown be labeled a RINO???

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  1. DarrylS

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    Will be interesting to see how this is handled by the power elite within the Republican Party.. will he now be called a RINO??

    This does not sound like Tea Party Rhetoric...

    A 'Scott Brown Republican' is pro-choice, anti-tax - On Politics: Covering the US Congress, Governors, and the 2010 Election - USATODAY.com

     
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    By all rights he should be, but GOP-jitsu will go into effect. This consists of the following:

    - claim that states' rights (letting each state decide its own fate) is the most important republican principal (i.e., abortion isn't a moral imperative as compared with states' rights, if it's Vote 41 you're talking about);

    - above all, ignore any such inconvenience, and always stay on the attack

    - emphasize false linkages (i.e., Brown said "independent" a few dozen times in his acceptance speech, avoiding the word "Republican.")

    In fact, he's more a RIVO, Republican in Vote Only, the magical 41st senator that gives the Republicans a superminority. :cool: Thus far, he really doesn't even claim the Republican name (for obvious reasons.)

    It's conceivable they'll therefore alienate evangelicals in MA, but who cares? You really want independents and moderates in MA. I haven't heard a peep from the evangelicals about his election.

    Nationwide, will religious republicans float off into "conservative parties" or "tea parties" (sort of implied in your original question)?

    It's been a lurching sort of year for these guys. A year ago their hero was an evangelical purist know-nothing from Alaska. Now, their hero is a moderate from Massachusetts. Brown is pretty much where McCain was during the election, a voice other than the shrill calls to extremism we've come to associate with the Republican party. They purged these voices a year ago, and now they're restocking them... it's smart as long as they can continue to foist "politics as usual" on their wacky base, convincing them to hate the other guy more than their own... but to the extent that the base controls the center, there may be trouble.

    Old Sarah, for example, might not take kindly to being relegated to the Fox sidelines, and may realize she has the perfect vantage point from which to snipe at his conservative bona fides.

    It's stuff like this that makes it fun to watch Fox clips... what's the over/under on how long until Sarah goes on a Scott = Rino rant?

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    I read a couple articles where the pundits are exploring how long before he is co-opted. He ran as an independent minded Republican, but already on issues like Don't Ask/Don't Tell, whether he'll run for President, and even on his pro-choice abortion stand, he's playing it very politically. If he's a bright, principled man, he may be able to resurrect a moderate wing of the Republican Party. But, so far I see simply another politician, no one special, who will be easily handled by the controlling interests of the Party.
     
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    Anyone who studies politics, understands that due to the power and money influences, that just about every politician is co-opted... it is what it is in America today, no more is it personified than it is in congress...
     
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    I agree, but there are some politicians who, while being pragmatic, also lead. Obama, Clinton, Reagan, and JFK were good examples of that. I think Pelosi is very much a leader, whether one likes her or not, while Reid is not much of leader. Not a lot of backbone or courage. If Brown wants to run for President, he's going to have to take some chances and butt heads with the Republican leadership, but I don't see signs that he's that kind of person.
     
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    Let The Games Begin

    I hope the Brown Family is ready and realizes what they're in for....................:singing::singing::singing:
     
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    Yes, I think so
     
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    IMO Brown won't be labelled a RINO on beig Pro Abortion only if he supports low taxes and reduced gov spending.
     
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    He labels himself as a moderate on social programs, do not forget he supported health care in Mass and has not opposed same sex marriage.;.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Brown is in a tough place as he won't win the Republican nomination for President - ever - but it tough to imagine him winning the Senate seat again. But that's OK, his job is done, we only needed him to be #41 until we can crawl to the midterms.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    How about breaking down all the divisions in the democratic party PFiVA? You know, like the socialists, the green peacers, gays & lesbian-alternative sex groups, the moderates (the majority of dem's) and even the conservative democrats.

    Whattaya have to say about those divisions?

    It's not like either party has unity. What we forget (all too often) is that America will always and forever vote from the middle. When we ask for change, we don't want dramatic changes in our way of life, we want to see changes in the way our elected officials act. We don't want bigger government, that is a certainty.

     
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    Um, can the guy get sworn in first, and maybe vote on a bill or two, before you all try to certify what type of politician he'll be? I'd like to think that someone who is pro-choice, but a republican, would show some level of independence.

    Where people are labeled RINO's more often than not IMO, is when they support the massive expanse of the welfare state, via unsustainable government spending.
     
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    Damn skippy.



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    The socialists?? To whom do you refer..

    This is what you fail to understand that the Dem party is more of a federation of people with like ideas.. some support abortion, some do not, some support gay marriage, some do not.. etc. somehow all these divisions come together and they emerge pretty close to a singular message..

    Was listening to a discussion on the radio this AM,believe it was McConnell or Gingrich, who were referring to the need for "Republican Purity"... made me think about Sanford, Larry Craig, David "the diaper man"Vitter or Ensign.. purity is an interesting word to use..

    Face it Brown is not your "Tea Party" savior, he is a fiscal conservative, but moderate on social issues.. sounds a lot like Snowe and Collins of Maine..
     
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    #18 Jersey

    MY Tea Party savior?? I don't even support the Tea "Party" ...which isn't even a party. Personally, I voted for Brown as a check & balances measure. He may not be a "pure" republican, but he was the only choice I had to counter the ridiculousness that has been going on in our federal gov't.

    Once our gov't starts to please, carry-out and execute the policies Mainstream Americans desire, then I'll be ok. And that is always the case with this country. The wishes of MAINSTREAM (the majority) of Americans must be carried out...always & forever! No "if's, and's or but's".:rolleyes:

     
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    You did not tell me who the socialists are.. lets see starty with "Figment"and then????
     
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    +1. I mean, the guy hasn't even been sworn in yet. He has never tried to hide who he was, and for example on the issue of abortion he has always had some good, common sense ideas. Ridiculous things such as not forcing people to do abortions if they are morally opposed to them - as opposed to Marcia Coakley who doesn't think devout Catholics should be allowed to work in hospital emergency rooms.
     
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    They can't wait to go after Brown, he's a threat and he had the audacity to "Beat Them"

    Now they have two "enemies" to try and destroy Palin/Brown this will keep the a$s holes busy for awhile, Brown better make sure his daughters aren't doing what all those MTV liberals are doing (sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex)


    :bricks:

    Impeach Obama he's killing the country.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    I could just as easily have called them the Far Left, but chose not to. I'm referring to those who desire a more European style government than we currently have...not the liberal, but the True Liberals...a.k.a. the left fringes
     
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    Scott Brown is not a right wing rubber stamp !
    He is his own man, and I support his decision to base his vote on the issue
    not the party.

    He is on record....
    He is not out to overturn Roe V Wade .
    He supports parental consent (Unlike Coakley)
    He is against govt funding of abortions (Unlike Coakley)

    If politicians would vote the issue instead of the party, we would be
    much better off.

    Coakley was nothing more than a left wing rubber stamp !
     

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