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  1. JR4

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    On the Patriots and not using their salary cap room, Willie said
    Makes you wonder, what is going with the Patriots that Willie would
    not talk about.

    Going to really miss you Willie.

    full article:
    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/
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    I'm just happy that Willie can leave with so much more class then many of the posters on this board!! :D No seriously, he's a real upstanding member of society and it was a pleasure to have him as a member of the Patriots for such a long time.
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    I honestly think you may be reading into that a bit. I think that's just a quirky turn of phrase. I think he just means, whatever's going on over there - putting no judgment on it - isn't his business to comment on. He's just going to focus on himself and be positive. I could be wrong, but that's my take.
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    Well, I can tell you "what is going on there" - it's that they cut him and he is upset. He was a dedicated, loyaly, worthy employee and he feels like they just tossed him aside and they did. That is "what is going on there" - this is the way this team operates like it or not; Milloy, Law, and now McGinnest. Some of the most storied and beloved Pats ever have been cut, why is Willie any different.

    I am sure that one day Tom Brady will be cut. Mark my words!

    So, if your a fan, and I certainly am, you just settle in and let it all unfold around you.

    Willie you will be missed, oh well!
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    Adios Willie, one of my all time favorites. A class act and a great performer, it will be very strange seeing him in another uniform. We all move on now and no one knows that better than Willie, he has inked a nice pre-retirement payday and I hope we can find a player at his position with half the ability and class he has, because no one can actually replace him.
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    It's refreshing to have somebody leave, and show class. That didn't happen with guys like Milloy or Woody, if you recall.

    Way to go Willie!!
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    Hold on to your 55's

    Hold on to your Willie Mac jerseys because he will retire as a Pat AND enter the HOF as a Pat. Another non-Pat I'll be rooting for.
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    i will miss Willie Mc Ginest.
    no doubt.
    one of the best ever Patriots player.

    thks Willie for what you have done with our franchise !

    good luck !

    we will never forget you !

    we will never forget # 55 !
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    One of the greatest to ever where a Patriot Jersey.

    He is in the same class as Julius Adams!

    Unfortunately he wasn't allowed to retire here. For the life of me I can't figure it out.

    I used to think it was cap space why a player like Willie wouldn't retire a Pat. But they have 20 million in space and didn't even call him to discuss an offer. So cap space had zero to do with it.

    I love this team and have followed it since the 70's. I am forever greatfull to Kraft and BB. But for today and the next few weeks, I am not fond of them. I think this is total BS.
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    How can you put Milloy and Law in the same group as Willie?

    Lawyer and Ty have always been Me type players Willie has never been about the money.

    Milloy got tampered with by Washington, so he made sure that the Pats would cut him or pay him and Ty new he was going to get cut or have to restructure the "dummy" year on his contract the day he signed it, Willie did as well!

    Was Milloy not the right move? What has he done since he left that makes you think we should have paid him?

    Ty would have helped last year and he has another season or two left before he moves to safety, but he wasn't worth 12 mil.

    Willie is near the end of his career with maybe one more season as a starter. The Patriots don't hold on to people because of the emotional attachment, if they did we would be old as hell. The secondary is much younger our D-line is one of the best in the business and one of the youngest, our TE's are among the youngest and the most Dynamic in the NFL and our O-line got a lot younger last year. The only positions that are old on the team are the LB's and RB's, which I think we all expect will be high priority areas in the draft along with WR, at this point.

    So I ask you, should the Pats hold onto to people until they prove they can't play anymore? Should they let those "special" patriots that we all feel make the team what it is stick around as long as they want taking up cap space and a roster spot even though they are washed up?

    Willie is a great person, a great teammate and leader, he has been one of my favorite players on the team since he got drafted. But the pats need to get younger at the LB position not older and 4 mil could go along way towards signing or trading for a younger LB, hopefully an inside one.
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    Actually, I've been surprised that Willie hasn't been more classy.

    Making an open ended statement like "I’m not going to air out what’s going on over there in New England." isn't classy.

    Saying the team hadn't contacted you when Belichick called the day you were released and the team stayed in contact during the week (maybe not with him personally but his agent) isn't classy.

    Willie isn't taking the high road here, IMO.
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    We need to deal with it or not be football fans. It is what it is. He'll be 35 in December and they have lots of bigger issue FA coming up. I was hoping the new CBA would let teams only count 75% or so of a 10 (or whatever) year veteran's salary against the cap if they stay with their team to stop this from happening.
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    So ......................... BaaaaaaaaaaD ...... How dare you! :(
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    Well I loved Willie as much as the rest of you. And I'm not trying to blast a guy on the way out. But the fact of the matter is, the way I read it, he may not been taking the low road but he surely isn't taking the high road out of town.

    Why say "I’m not going to air out what’s going on over there in New England." which clearly sayd there's something bad going on to air out.

    Bad Willie, bad.
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    I know BF, I was half kidding and my last icon was suppose to be :)

    He may have handled th question better but I really doubt it was
    done to take shot at the PATs. It was in response to a question
    and at the moment that's how it came out as he probably percieved the
    reporter was baiting him.
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    Very sad to see #55 go. Thanks Big Willie!
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    I am trully saddened by this. Willie was not only a great player but a leader in that locker room. Now you must replace him on the field (which might not be that hard to do. Might not be), but the toughest part to replace will be his leadership. That my friends will be very hard to do.

    Thanks Big Willie for the great memories.

    In Bill I trust Sometimes.
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    Yeah, but there's no excuses not to. There are more than enough veterans including Seymour, Bruschi, Varabel and hopefully Harrison. Will McGinest's leadership need to be replaced ? Yes. But if it's not, shame on that list of veterans for not getting it done.
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    Probably because the Patriots don't make player personnel decisions based on sentiment?

    Obviously, they decided that, at his age, he wasn't going to be worth the money he was asking for. It's THAT simple. You don't make unsound business decisions because you have an emotional attachment to a player.
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    Jeez, sarge, you know better than this.

    - He was allowed to retire in NE, he chose to go elsewhere for more money.
    - They did call him, Belichick called him the day they released him.
    - They did talk to his agent about an offer, they typically wouldn't talk to the player.

    It's all about money and McGinest went for it. Not saying I blame him but don't blame the Patriots. Just because they have cap money doesn't mean they should overspent. They have bigger fish to fry like Seymour, Branch, Koppen, et al, coming up.
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    I've always said that the team will sign a bunch of 1 day contracts with guys like Willie and Ty after they are ready to retire. They will "get released" by their last team, sign a one day deal with the Pats for the opening game, and retire Pats!
    Business is business, but Kraft has class and will do this for them. I'm sure they already know that.
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    According to Willie the only phone call he received from the Pats was from Mr Kraft saying congrats on signing with the Browns. he said he had NO CONTACT from anyone there. IMO that's cold!

    - why would Willie retire now when he still has 2 good years left in him. The man still wants to play. So how selfish of you to say well Willie since you can't play for us retire and play for no one.

    -About this bigger fish to fry crap. If they are using this 20 million for Branch and Seymour then get the freakin deals done now! Why wait until next year you've got the money show me, a die hard, loyal Pats fan, who was one of a couple thousand that use to travel to Shafffer, Sullivan, Foxboro Stadium, when the team was losing and you could not watch the game on local TV. Show me that the organization is trying to continue the winning ways. And not beginning to act like Jeremy Jacobs!
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    Get your facts straight - BB called Wilie the day we cut him and they had a discussion. The Patriots left messages with Willie and those calls were not returned. Then, yes, Kraft called him yesterday.
    I do not blame Willie for taking the money and leaving. I also feel the Patriots were right in not bringing him back anywhere near those numbers.

    For you to equate Kraft with Jacobs is the most rediculous statement I have ever read, for an old guy, you are clueless.

    By the way, I have seen the Patriots in person and have had season tickets continually since Fenway park days. I thank Bob Kraft for keeping this franchise in Foxboro. I thank BB & SP for bringing us three Superbowl victories. I will bet you my season tickets that SP/BB will be winning more Superbowls before they leave. I am very happy that they do not act on emotion.
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    Well I wouldn't expect him to have contact during negotiations, I would expect that contact to be with his agent.

    This is what Felger has to say :

    "In the meantime, fans should disabuse themselves of the notion that the Pats didn’t show McGinest enough love in the days after his release last Wednesday night. There were plenty of calls made from the football department to McGinest early this week"

    If you want to say "Felger's full of it", fine. But he has no reason to have an agenda whereas McGinest does - to deflect the reason he left being just about money.
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    I question these "I never heard from them" comments.

    I suspect the teams say "if you think you can get a lot more, check it out, but we are in the ____ range." The player gets a 2x offer and there is no need to talk with the first team.

    I have no problem with any player taking bigger bucks elsewhere in a free agent year -- not Woody, Givens, McGinest, or whoever. At least in football (unlike baseball) there is very little of the "they did not show me respect" and "it's not about the money" comments that are so annoying.
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    Exactly. By keeping things in house they often hurt themselves in the public perception war - and I do think they might want to adjust that approach just a tad because other players (ours and those we might persue) are part of that public. According to Holley BB also talked to Willie directly before he left for Cleveland. This was just about money. Felger said all along he believed the Pats felt Willie was a $2M+ player for 2006. If you look at what Colvin ($3.85M) and Vrabel ($2M) and Bruschi ($1.85M) are making this year, that's about right. Unless you want to upset that LB slotting and have them believing they are underpaid or under valued. Willie will take home $8M this year and $10 over 2 years from a team who believe they need both his remaining skills and his club house cache to facilitate a rebuild.

    Willie said all along money didn't matter to him because he's made plenty. He said it was about winning. But few players who say that really mean it when the rubber meets the road. If the Redskins had made Willie this offer it would be clearer he chose the money. Cleveland allows him to spin it that he left for a chance to help build something with/for RAC. That's fine, just don't lets kid ourselves. He left because somebody else wanted him enough to substantially overpay for a 34 year old OLB - and it just so happened they could also provide the feel good cover of needing his reputation and veteran leadership inside and outside their locker room.

    And if you say your not upset and you're not going to take any shots, you really should not need to slide a few veiled ones between the lines in your signing press conference. This team was very good to Willie throughout his 12 year career, and this coach was especially good for Willie during the last 6 years of it. I know he's acknowledged it, and he should leave it at that.
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    Bingo! We have Bingo! I also think this is the way it went down.
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    I have my facts straight. They came straight from Willie's mouth. When he says he's had NO contact I take him at his word.

    -Maybe equating Kraft w/jacobs was a bit off base. I was wrong (for now) in saying that. I ask you though to not question my knowledge or loyalty to this team. I was a season ticket holder for many years. I remember when I could not get to a game, and I was not able to give my tickets away. I failed to renew my tickets once I felt that the price to have 4 tickets got to be outrageous. I still attend several games (mostly late in the season), because I coach a youth football team which my son plays on and my daughter's a cheerleader for the organization ( My VCR runs OT during the first 7 weeks).
    I love this team. Just not too happy with what has transpired during this week.

    In Bill I trust sometime
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