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  1. slash83

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    With the improvements to the secondary and the additions of more pass rushers will we see a bit of a change from the defense? I got the feeling last year the defensive play calling was a lil reluctant to blitz due to the fact of not having much confidence of leaving the corners in 1 on 1 coverage. With the addition of Bodden and Springs, and the improvement of Wilhite do you guys think will see more of an attack defense this year?
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    I've wondered myself. I dunno. I wonder if a 4-3 base would lead to more attacking form the ends (Burgess, TBC). Maybe Tully gets 9 sacks this season and some crazy NFC team offers him cash up the wazoo again.
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    Well, there was plenty of blitzing going on early in the Philly preseason game. If that is any indication of what could be, then I'd say the answer would have to be 'yes.' I don't know anything, but I would hope that's what we see. I think we have the personnel to get after the opposing QB.
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    It's looking like the D will be more comfortable playing games with the front seven while the back four keeps it real.
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    Sounds good to me, the front sevens personal is there to play games.
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    Have to admit, when I first read the title of the thread I was thinking of the vaunted 'Dom Capers aggressive and dangerous defense'. Groan...

    Philly was an example of using the Safeties to blitz more, with cruddy CBs the Pats could not lock up 1:1 forcing the Safeties to play conservative and provide help over the top. If our CBs look good and someone can cover a TE I expect more blitzing from Merriweather/Sanders/Chung.
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    Well if we are running a 4-3, it is more of an "attack" defense in general as you are always sending at least 4 players during passing downs.

    I think using a base 4-3 will help us solve a lot of our pressure issues from last year. They just need to find a way to effectively stuff the run.

    Imagine a 4 - 3 with Burgess Wilfork Warren Seymour, then having A.Thomas blitz from the Outside LB spot...
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    Im looking forward to see this defense develop this year.
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    Me too.

    From the Eagles game, I came away with the idea that that the Pats appeared to be working in the 4-3 agressive posture more than in the past, and they look like they have a deeper lot of agressive and athletic guys on the DL who can play . The cuts are going to be very interesting this year.

    Shoring up the secondary will go a long way to that end. What were we lacking on the D last year? IMO, it was a sustained pass rush that had enough time to get to the QB because receivers weren't covered.
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    God I hope so. Regardless of whether we run a base 3-4 or 4-3, I would like to see us become a bit more aggressive, disruptive and attacking with more big plays. I don't want us to necessarily become Baltimore or Pittsburgh, but a more intimidating and attacking defense would be welcome. We have continued to get younger on defense and add more speed and athleticism overall, as well as the personnel to adopt a greater range of defensive schemes. I can't wait to see how that translates onto the field this season.
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    Think we will be seeing some very creative schemes on D this year, with so many viable parts and an almost completely changed secondary... it will be interesting, and some announcers will go Duh, what was that???
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    I think the creative schemes are possible only if the CB's are completely confortable with the playbook and know their assignments inside and out. If Wheatley or Butler are starting then we are going to be a soft zone defense again this year.
    Wilhite is impressing me some. I had him for the PS this year, but he appears to be quicker than I thought. Maybe BB can be creative with Wilhite and Bodden back there.
    I am not sure Springs will survive TC healthy enough to play in the regular season.
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    The team is paying Springs as a starting corner - he had better respond. I'm hoping the time off is mostly a function of him being a vet. If healthy, he's one of the better CBs in the league. And imagine our depth at CB then.

    The Pats played some more man on Thurs then [I remember] them playing the last couple seasons. They seemed OK leaving Bodden, Wilhite & Butler on an island. They sent 7 men at one point and left the 4 DBs covering 4 targets, the result was a hurried and incomplete pass.
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    All of Belichicik's past coaching records indicate that... "Bend, don't Break" works to reduce opponents scoring. So why would he change to a gambling attacking Defense, now ?:confused:
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    His past coaching says "3-4 base", too, but that may be changing.
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    Seeing how effectively teams worked against their D last year has BB making some major personnel changes so why not a change in philosophy. Besides,"Bend and Bend Some More" defense keeps Brady off the field.
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    i dunno...belichick has never been a slave to convention, even his own convention...and, it has been four years since he restocked the trophy case in Foxboro...maybe he wants to shake things up a bit this year...several things point to it...the two-a-days at TC, making it clear he wasn't happy with the 0--4 preseason last year, trading Vrabes, leaving Brewski's role undefined...I'm NOT saying blame the D for not bringing home another Lombardi, just saying that with the Offense set except at RB, it's as good a place as any to send a signal, especially when he thinks back on "that game" and what an unrelenting Giants D did that day...
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    He did change to zone blocking at one point so he is flexible.
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    Really? It seems to me that BB originally made his mark in the 80's with a pretty aggressive defense for the Giants. That wasn't a "bend don't break" kind of defense, as I recall. Plus, "bend don't break" has too often turned into "break" on 3rd down or in the red zone in recent history, with too few turnovers and big plays.

    It seems to me that BB's defensive approach may have gotten more conservative over the years not because of any fixed philosophy but because he is a master at adapting to his personnel. We now have more athleticism and speed in the secondary and at LB than in recent years, possibly the best pass-rushing capability in some time with Burgess and Thomas, and tremendous flexibility to change schemes around with the front 7. I'm not saying that we exclusively change to "gambling" defense, but I can see us mixing it up using more aggressive and attacking formations and changing schemes to keep opponents off balance.
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    With the recent additions on defense, I believe BB will change his philosophy to more of an attacking style defense ala Pittsburgh, Philly, New York Giants. They live in a copy cat league and you have to make changes if you expect to stay on top.
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    They always took calculated gambles, often coming up with crucial 3rd down stops or turnovers. Remember that every time Harrison or Bruschi blitzed someone was getting 1:1 coverage (calculated gamble). The past several seasons the Pats the Pats have not been able to finish plays, maybe a more aggressive attitude will help. 90% of the game is mental the other half is physical.
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    To listen to you people I would never have guessed the Pats Defense in 2008, was tenth in yielding yards. Or that with its poor third down and red zone statistics, they were eighth in yielding points.

    How could such things possibly occur?:confused:

    BB played sound, no easy scores, Defense. Other teams had to work several plays to score. Maybe their opponents were mostly inept, and stopped themselves. Whatever.... The results stand. The Defense was 10th and 8th.

    For all you geniuses, please explain this anomaly.:D
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    They gave up 27 passing touchdowns which was second worst in the NFL. Also, they gave up most yards after catch. Outsiders on Pats, Part IV - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com Shout out to State for that article. It's pretty odd their defense was ranked 10th overall because I could've swore they were one of the worst in the NFL last season.
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    I certainly hope so....!!! Should see a big difference in the amount of blitzes and pass rush this season as like you say.....Secondary seems alot tighter.......GO PATS!
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    I expect a lot more attacking, but, I expect strange formations, and strange patterns of guys blitzing. Nothing will be clear, and most QB's are going to be confused and battered to the max.

    Thankfully the offense with a real running game will be so intense that I expect to be at about 35:30 minutes of offensive possession a game (the pace they were on until Morris got hurt in '07) - meaning our D will only be out 24:30 a game. Bwhahahhahahaa!! Easy to attack when you are up by 17 points, and they can only throw, with a bum QB at the helm......
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    As mentioned in the posts above, the yardage numbers do not reflect the TDs allowed and the poor 3rd down and red zone defense.

    No one ever said BB was a poor defensive coach - quite the contrary. He did a more than decent job given the personnel constraints. But that shouldn't blind people to the deterioration of the defense. Since 2004 BB has been working with an aging secondary and LB corps and a lack of speed and athleticism on defense. The secondary in 2008 was the probably the weakest overall in the BB era, and the soft coverage precluded much attacking. Better overall speed and athleticism should allow for a much more aggressive defensive approach opening up turnovers and other big plays. More defensive flexibilty should allow for more disruptive schemes.
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    If we do switch to a base 4-3, then there really is no place for Bruschi. Assuming Mayo is mike, that makes Bruschi sam which means he has to cover the curl, or wall the #2 receiver, and push everything to the sideline- and he really does not have the speed and explosion for that anymore.
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    We faced a cake schedule last year, not alot of good offenses. So that skews those #'s a bit. The only team with a great offense that we had success against was Arizona, and that was in a blizzard vs. a team that's not used to playing in those conditions. The first game against the Jets was impressive but keep in mind it was early for Favre in that offense. The 2nd time around was bad.

    I'm as optimistic a fan as there is, but the defense was not up to par last season and needed work. Judging by this offseason BB felt the same way. Over 1/3 of the defensive spots will have different starters from last season's opening day. And the top 3 draft choices all spend on that side of the ball.
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    Agreed. Right now it looks like there could be about a >40% turnover on defense on the final 53 man roster (roughly 10-11/24-25 positions): Brace, Pryor, Burgess, TBC, Chung, McGowan, Bodden, Springs, Butler and Crable off of IR, plus possibly Lenon (and that spot would have almost definitely gone to McKenzie if he hadn't been injured). In 2008 there was only half of that amount of turnover (Mayo, Guyton, O'Neal, Wheatley and Wilhite). Only 9 players will likely remain from the 2007 defense (Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Wright, Green, Thomas, Bruschi, Meriweather and Sanders), and Thomas and Meriweather were new additions in 2007, leaving only about 28% (7/25) of the defensive players from the infamous 2006 meltdown against the Colts in the AFCCG when our aging and slow defense caught up with us.
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